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NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS
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NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS

NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS

(OP)
I am trying to find a way, if it's even possible, to turn off whatever it is that keeps adding coordinate systems in my file every time I do anything, from moving faces, to moving parts. a coordinate system keeps popping up, and i have to constantly remove parameters to delete them out. this occurs even in history-free mode. is there a way to stop that?

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Can you post a pic?

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You forget what a wcs looks like? winky smile

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

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@ewh
I wasn't sure if we were talking about a 'saved' csys or datum csys

@delliott
Do they only show up in certain commands? Your post seems to imply the 'move' command; do you have the 'move parents', 'associative', or 'create trace lines' options set?

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(OP)
Yes, it seems to only happen when I'm using the commands in the Synchronous Modeling toolbar.  

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it appears to me like what you have is a "saved cycs", if that is the case then click on it and hit your delete key on your keyboard.
If it does not go away then your wcs is on that saved cycs.
If you move your wcs someplace else, you should then be able to delete that saved cycs.
You will probably want to move your wcs back to where it was. I assume that it was on the absolute origin.

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He has been deleting them, only to have them reappear upon an edit, if my understanding is correct.  I'm at a loss as to where the setting for this behavior is located.  I know you can temporarily create a new csys while executing a synchronous modeling command, but those dissappear when the command is complete.

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

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(OP)
Yes they reappear every time I do an edit, and I have to remove parameters first before I am able to delete them out.

RE: NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS

I just went into the "command finder" and entered "saved wcs" and the first thing to come up was "saved filters" - I think that may help you if you are using WAVE.
I am not using WAVE so I cannot investigate it.

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(OP)
I don't even know what WAVE is so I dont think i'm using it. We just upgraded from NX2 to NX6 so we're still getting used to the changes. I miss the "reset" button too!

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(OP)
wow i definitely looked over the reset button this whole time! thank you!

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(OP)
But back on to the original question I had....these retained coordinate systems or whatever they may be; they don't affect anything I'm doing, I just don't like seeing them when I'm making part prints. i know i can just blank them out, but i'd rather find a way to make it so they don't appear at all

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What 'motion' option are you using in the move face command? (Angle, distance, raidal distance, csys to csys, etc)

RE: NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS

I'm trying to reproduce your problem, but I keep getting an 'internal error' when I start the move face command.

Time for a reboot!

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(OP)
well it doesn't seem to matter what motion option i use for the 'move face' command. well i have narrowed it down a little bit. it creates a coordinate system when i use Move Face, Pull Face, Resize Face, and Copy Face. I'm starting to think it's just a bug because I don't see any type of option i can click to remove it

RE: NX6 COORDINATE SYSTEMS

You may want to try the GTAC support forum (bbsnotes.ugs.com) for this one...

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

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Hi delliot,

If I understand your question right, I think there is one thing more you can do. If there is a setting option in the menue remove the associative mark. After removing that mark you are able to change to the current WCS. But you have to do that every time. I'm still with NX5.

I'm working with UG since 10.4 and started using NX5 one and a half year ago after working with NX3 for two years.
I talked to several guys here in the States and in Germany who are using NX6 and they told me that meanwhile you spend more time defining some parameter, which is slowing down the whole process anyways, then thinking about your work. It seems to me, that in the higher versions ,after NX3, you do not have the freedom anymore to decide which parameter you want to keep and which not. Of course, there are buttons where you switch off associativity, but you have to do that every time. This slows down a lot. Obviously UG is getting worse every new release. It started with the redesigned user interface which may be easy for a UG freshman, but ....

Regards,

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If you have dialog memory enabled (it can be switched off, at least in terms of being retained from one session to another, in Customer Defaults) and you toggle OFF associativity in a dialog it should remain toggled OFF until you toggle it back ON.

As for the redesign of the user interface, it was done to make NX more consistent and easier to use, PERIOD.  And contrary to what existing users might like to think, the success of a software company can NOT depend ONLY on what it brings in in terms of maintenance and service fees but must continue to sell ADDITIONAL seats of software to customers who are either currently using another system or whose present NX implementation does not yet cover all of their existing people or organizations.  In other words, people who when they either are evaluating or learning to use NX are technically, as you call them, 'UG freshman'.  I'm sorry if that hard cold reality is inconvenient, but it's just that, reality.

But since you brought it up and you claim to go back to Unigraphics V10.4, are you advocating that we return to when virtually every item was accessed via pull-down menus with cascade options or where every single parameter reverted back to some out-of-the-box default which the user had absolutely NO control over?  Where there was no ability to easily customize the content of menus which meant that even the items which you never used were given the same prominence as the items you used everyday?  Is this the behavior that you would like NX to revert back to?

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 

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3
(placing tongue firmly in my cheek)

Brink back the PFK!

I want to go back to the numbered menus!

8 - 2 - Entry Complete - Entry Complete  solved ALL problems!

(removing tongue from cheek)

Chris Cooper
Senior CAD Specialist
Cleveland Golf / Never Compromise
www.clevelandgolf.com
www.nevercompromise.com

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And for those of you who don't have the vaguest idea what Chris is talking about, you can go here to learn all about the PFK:

http://plmworld.org/museum/hall/History_of_the_PFK.htm

Be sure to go all the way to the end of the page and then select the picture on the right side of the paragraph which will take you to a little 6-page tutorial showing you how the Unigraphics menu system worked and how you used the PFK to select menu options.  BTW, this is exactly how UG worked when I took my FIRST class out in Carson, CA (in the old post office building on Avalon Blvd) 33 years ago next week, when the company I was working for at the time purchased a 3 seat Unigraphics system from United Computing Company (now you know where the 'Uni' in 'Unigraphics' came from).  

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 

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That's exactly the PLM attitude:

"And contrary to what existing users might like to think...."

... only be worried about new customers and therefore new seats.

What PLM didn't do was to talk to designers, who have to work on a daily basis with a tool which reached the peak of its performance in NX3. It can not be the case, that a software programer decides how my work has to be done. he only has to provide the tool, not the procedure.

Have you ever thought about your statement "easier tu use"? In which matter? If you start which NX, I agree. But if you get used to it your way of developing something will change. That flexibility is defenitely gone (or almost).

May be I phrased it wrong, but to make it clear I started with 10.4 and used every new main release and skipped only the main release NX4.
I was self employed 10 years and designed molds with UG/NX up to NX3. That means I had to make money with my designs. Today I'm happy, that one of my customers hiered me for a more responsible job, but still using NX. I would be in a bad shape, if I still would be self employed. In my opinion effecient work is no longer possible as it was up to NX3.

Here some things you can not wipe out (compared to NX3):
1. A whole lot more mouse clicks for the same action
2. constantly moving the menue bar across the screen
3. selection menue is way to complicated and therefore it takes too long to select something.
4. reaction time is way to long (point menue)

There is a whole lot more what is disimproved.

My recommendation: Talk to designers if you are interested in a honest opinion and improvement, not to an IT department or purchasing.



 

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I'm sorry but the new user interface style (introduced with NX 5.0) was thoroughly tested by existing users.  We set up what we called a 'productivity lab' both in our development offices and temporarily at National Users Meetings, both here in the states and overseas, where we invited both long time and newer users to actually test many of the basic concepts we were developing and based on their feedback, we made many changes and adjustments.  This process took several years and is still being done today as we continue to evolve the look and feel, as well as the behavior of the menus, dialogs and on-screen manipulation tools.

We are NOT ONLY worried about new customers, HOWEVER if we are not able to compete and win new business, our ability to support our current customers in any manner whatsoever would be severely curtailed.  Ask the people who used to use Applicon, Calma, Computervision, CADAM, EMS, etc.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 

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Personally, I think Applicon had a lot going for it and were ahead of their time... but time moves on.  Computervision, on the other hand, pretty much required learning a new language.  More typing, less mouse moving to pick commands.

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

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I have been using variations of the program since Unigraphics v8.

I must admit that the new interface at NX5 was a challenge, but is am SO much faster now than I was then.

The new UI just takes some getting used to, that's all.

Chris Cooper
Senior CAD Specialist
Cleveland Golf / Never Compromise
www.clevelandgolf.com
www.nevercompromise.com

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I have been on Unigraphics constantly since V5.
The thing about the PFK keys is that you could punch in several commands and (since computers were so slow) you could leave your desk, and hopefully all the commands would be completed by the time you got back.
 

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Yes, and that was called 'running a muscle macro' winky smile

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 

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I've also been using Unigraphics since at least V5 on a full time basis. Believe it or not I was aware of its inception in the company that I worked for as far back as date release. When I first saw it I was so dazzled by this new technology I decided to pursue a career that took me a few years before I was even able to get the opportunity to use it properly. My fondest memories of the early stuff were PFK tricks that you could play whenever another operator left their seat so that the next time they hit Display Refresh upon their return something unexpected resulted! For non early users imagine a system where when you drew a line the screen did not refresh, so that you had to keep hitting the Display Refresh button to see the graphical results of your work.

As for the question the only time I'm aware of slight difficulties with residual entities appearing that you need to somehow manage or clean up is in some cases after you add deformed components. By all means let us know if that figures in your scenario.

As for performance issues I'm not particularly bent out of shape by the menu issues, but starting with the New Hole feature as far back as NX-5 we have been aware that some dialogs seemed a little latent. On the other hand testing of modelling speed over several versions with the same hardware showed that for most tasks the software has improved in performance. Whether you were running the old green screen Tektronix/Data General clunker, or today's Windows based systems there's no way of getting around the fact that users perceive the performance relative to the user interface more of the time.  

Best Regards

Hudson

www.jamb.com.au

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