Engineering Study Final Report
Engineering Study Final Report
(OP)
I hired a consultant company to perform an engineering study for me.
When he submitted the report, he also included this line with his email.
"If there are any changes made to these reports or study files, X, Y, and myself must be notified of the changes."
Am I really obligated to this?
I want to edit, make additional comments to the report and then send it to the customer.
When he submitted the report, he also included this line with his email.
"If there are any changes made to these reports or study files, X, Y, and myself must be notified of the changes."
Am I really obligated to this?
I want to edit, make additional comments to the report and then send it to the customer.





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Another case, if they did a safety study, and you took it, modified some findings, and then submitted it as your own calculations, they would be very worried about liability and the safety issues you glossed over.
On the other hand, if you paid them for work that did not involve their proprietary information, but just was "data collection" that many other firms could have done, then I would feel more like it was my data study to do like as I pleased.
Why are you afraid of contacting them to discuss?
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Maguffin Microwave wireless design consulting
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I paid them to do the work for me and I own the document, if I take their name out of the report and submit it with my name on it, they shouldn't have any concerns about this.
I just don't want to discuss a non-sense with some one who doesn't understand it.
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Maby they won't have any concerns about it but you should. You could loose your license, face a civil action and if misuse of the report or information theirin casuses someone to be injured you could face criminal action.
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"I just don't want to discuss a non-sense with some one who doesn't understand it. "
Umm, so if you understand it so well why did you sub the work out? I sure hope this was not an arc flash study.
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With a PE stamp? Didn't they tell you not to approve work others performed?
It's too bad that hiding behind a message board user name you can'd get reported for making statements like that.
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You are thinking along the wrong lines, both legally and morally.
Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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If you experienced enough, you would know that you can stamp someone else repor. This happens all the time.
That case , you will be fully responsible for the work performed. It seems you need to pass the exams again.
My question is: If a thir part consultant prepares an engineering report, and I need to modify it, I am obligated to let them know?
considering the fact that I'll be stamping it.
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IF you were experienced enough you know that's not true and you could probably spell as well.
Try telling your stete board all this. You'll learn something, they'll have a good laugh.
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An independent consultant does NOT fit that category. You may also want to read the contract between you and your 'consultant', if it exists.
Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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It's hiding out with common sense.
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Why not just ask your consultant to consider making the changes you want? If the consultant agrees, then there should not be a problem. If the consultant disagrees and explains why not, then what you want may not be reasonable or correct.
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All they are asking for is notification ... not for permission, nor even the reasons for the changes. Why are you so troubled about doing that? My take is that you know what you are doing is unethical and/or wrong.
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The fact behind this is that I asked the consultant to submit the software modeling fie and the word document of the report.
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Lets make a deal. You post your personal details and the project details. I'll contact the board for you (PEO maybe?). We can let them decide.
I wish others would not answer your question. You are planning on doing something unethical and illegal.
Are you also going to remove the consultant's PE stamp, along with their other information?
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You should also note that just because you paid the consultant for the study does not mean that you own the documents. In fact, in most cases you would certainly not own the documents. We do not give up ownership of our documents.
Next, you required the consultant to provide the report on changeable media. That's a no-no. This is where you need to check your law, because you might both be in violation...you for requiring it as an engineer, and the consultant for providing it.
Further, you typically cannot sign/seal a document unless it was prepared under your direct supervision. It doesn't sound like that's the case.
Your case is skirting with both legal and ethical concerns. You seem to have a controlling, cavalier attitude about it that could get you into some legal and ethical problems. Check your law closely...good luck.
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I have revised and stamped someone elses plans in the past, but with the full knowledge and written consent of the other engineer. In fact, he asked me to do it. It's only common courtesy, and basic ethics.
Review your ethics rules.
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto: KISS
Motivation: Don't ask
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Why? So you can change what your consultant submitted? What consultant would allow that?
If you must add comments, do it in an addendum. As soon as you change the consultant's report, it is no longer valid.
I ran this thread by a relative who is an engineer at Health Canada. He finds this disturbing.
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I just wondered if tctc works for BP...
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