Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
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http ://rps3.co m/Files/AG W/EngrCrit ique.AGW.S cience.pdf
It's all a bit Death by Powerpoint, and I wish he'd provided references throughout, but it seems a reasonable meta-analysis of the current state of play.
It's all a bit Death by Powerpoint, and I wish he'd provided references throughout, but it seems a reasonable meta-analysis of the current state of play.
Cheers
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RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Fe
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
I realise of course that he would ignore it.
But the thought is there.
B.E.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
chuck out the stuff about humans being a tiny part of the planet's bio-mass ... so what, we can have an impat greater than our proportional representation.
chuck out the various cCO2 levels "% in an average house", etc ... so what ... the CO2 level outside my house has a bigger impact on the planet, this is not about personal survival due to CO2 poisoning.
for me the two main messages are ...
1) climate in complex, and our computer simulations aren't
2) in this politics seems to have trumped science
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RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Just put solar panels on you electric car roof. After all your car usually just sits most of the day.
I agree with Bert. However, it's still a good idea to reduce our foot print. But because we want to, not because we have to (death by taxes).
So if added CO2 makes plants grow more, then talking to plants probally also makes plants grow more.
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RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
He uses the same data to disprove AGW, that these guys use to prove AGW.
He also added data the AGW people don't use.
And he makes the assertion that it may not matter anyway. Not the assertion it's real start taxing now.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
I did love the slide with the global temperature sensors 10 ft away from air conditioner waste heat air flow.
David
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RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
His expertise on Global warming is no more informed than the 3 or 4 thousand posts that appeared in this form.
Engineers are not any more informed than movie stars but people listen more to Movie Stars. A lot of them sound more intelligent than engineers.
Routan is good at Powerpoint.
IF all 6,693,000,000 people on earth were ground up and put in a plywood box 1 mile high and one mile square - how high would they fill it? I get 375'. IF you removed the water that would be less that 40'.
The meaning? IF aliens come to earth humans could easliy be stored in some side canyon of the Colorado or the bottom of numerous lakes, in a cave, an old mine etc, etc.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Fe
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
FeX32,
You have to work your way through 92 PowerPoint slides to understand. If you didn't do the work, you don't get the answer.
David
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they would be much more comfortable.
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the aliens, of course ;)
"Engineers are not any more informed than movie stars ... A lot of them sound more intelligent than engineers" ... only goes to show, doesn't it. IMHO i think engineers are more informed than movie stars, that we can understand (and take the time to understand) alittle of what the experts are saying, that we generally understand alot more about the fallability of models (not the movie star type). i'll give you that i think we are generally more opinionated than most ... but that's 'cause we're right ;)
and i'll certainly give you that their communication skills are generally Way better than ours.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Alarmism always has been, and always will be, an engine by which those "in the know" seek to use it as a mechanism by which to empower themselves politically and financially ahead of the mean. Just a big game of king of the hill, if you really stop and think about it.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
Routan is a great aerospace engineer. I'm not sure who is a great climate scientist, but I probably don't want to ride on a plane designed by that guy.
I did enjoy his comment in his interview for The Big Think (I think that was the name), where he said he was OK with importing oil now because its only going to get more expensive and that we can sell our oil back later when the price goes up.
RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
I would not trust the average movie star to pour water out of a boot, even one with the instructions printed on the heel.
But, that, like all of this ^^^ (and I could post the links to AGW threads #1 thru 100), is just one guy's opinion. Of course, my opinion is much more valid than yours, for obvious reasons.
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B.E.
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Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Burt Rutan on AGW alarmism
http://www.physorg.com/news190558013.html
Here they claim that measurements cannot account for half of the heat in the climate.
But rather than question the measurement methods and assumptions, the conclude that the heat is going into another part of the eco/climate system that they don't know of.
It seems that in this case, the data interpretation is sufficient to support the 'global climate change' frenzy while at the same time the data doesn't support what they do know. In the end, they question where the heat is going rather than question if the measurements and assumptions are correct in the first place.
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Also, follow the money. There are plenty who would profit from AGW. Examining motives is fair game, and always should be. No fact or person is beyond scrutiny.
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I woulden't care at all, except someone started wanting taxes to fix the problem. So now we need to look at the followers on each side, and why they want this.
Both sides have professors clameing they are right. But one side has eco-terrests, and protesters that throw things. Would you believe them?
These are the same prople who, if asked, don't know the facts. They are motivated by emotion.
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I have no problem with differing views, or with the other person not knowing what they are talking about but still insisting they are right, unless it's not my wife.
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David