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# How common is 4-10 schedule in US?

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 Crusader911 (Mechanical) (OP) 30 Mar 10 10:48
 At our facility, we are allowed the option of working four 10-hour days and being off on Friday.  Our company was sold to a much larger company that works a regular 5-8 schedule.  We are continuing our schedule for now, but I was just wondering how common the 4-10 schedule is at other companies.
 ctopher (Mechanical) 30 Mar 10 10:59
 It is slowly catching on. More companies are going to 4-10, except those that need to communicate with sales/customers on Fridays.A lot of companies take every other Friday off. It depends on the company.Also just as common are employees working virtual from home or some type of satellite office. ChrisSolidWorks 09 SP4.1ctopher's homeSolidWorks Legion
 BrunoPuntzJones (Materials) 30 Mar 10 11:08
 I wish it was more common, I would jump at 4x10, but when we've brought it up with management, they've been very hestitant.
 Yagonyonok (Mechanical) 30 Mar 10 11:58
 We used to work 4x10's in the summers, but that was axed this year.  The boss said that a customer complained about not being able to reach us on a Friday, but since we are an R&D facility, and don't really have customers, I'm not sure I buy it.  I think she needed something and was annoyed that we weren't here.  Either way, its her company and her choice.  The three day weekends were really nice though. Engineering is the art of modelling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess, in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance. -A R Dykes
 KENAT (Mechanical) 30 Mar 10 12:17
 I work 4 X 10s, well more like 11+, 12+, 12+, 6+ and checking email on my Fridays, but it's a bit informal.We did have 9/80's officially for a while but they scrapped that for many departments a while back.In the UK we finished at lunch on Fridays so every week we got a 2.5 day weekend. Posting guidelines FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm? (probably not aimed specifically at you)What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
 Mr168 (Materials) 30 Mar 10 12:42
 4/10's and 44/36 are increasingly common in corporate offices for EPC companies.  I sure wish the job site was like that!  From an economic standpoint, it can reduce overhead costs quite a bit.
 mechengdude (Mechanical) 30 Mar 10 15:06
 My company allows 4/10s during the summer. USA, medium to large defense contractor.
 TDAA (Geotechnical) 30 Mar 10 19:27
 Not common  for a lot of firms, although I have seen it catching on a bit.Heck, I asked about doing it at my last job, during our winter slow time (ski days). I just wanted to do it a few weeks to get out more, and was immediately shot down.  I think it was more to do with the fact that they wanted 45 hours out of you, while 4/10s limits you to a certain degree.
 berkshire (Aeronautics) 30 Mar 10 20:01
 4-10 has been catching on with some manufacturing plants since gasoline prices started getting high.  However with work still being tight in So Cal some of these companies are currently working 3-8 with no idea when work is going to pick up.B.E.
 cksh (Mechanical) 31 Mar 10 8:34
 I have yet to work for a company that has considered it.  It is usually frowned upon because of customer support.I have heard internal complaints if someone isn't there to help someone from another department.  Personally I would not want 4 10's because of family.  Sure, I would get an extra day off but then I would have no time during the week to spend with my son who is in bed by 7:30.  And that extra day he would be in school anyways.  If I didn't have a son I would probably try it out.  But I am already here close to 10 hours a day anyways just to get out of here by 5.  Would hate for them to tell me I have to stay until 7!I would rather have flex time and be done at 3:30 or 4.
 moltenmetal (Chemical) 31 Mar 10 13:53
 Not much in it for the business from what I can see, unless you only run the office 4 days per week- not very practical.  Lots in it for the employee, especially if they have a bad commute.Alternating staff on 4-10s, or 9-9s (alternating Fridays off) can be done but generates a fair bit of confusion as to who is going to be around on what day.Personally I've never worked at a place that permitted it.  Too much risk of the employees picking up a part-time job...not to mention all the lost uncompensated overtime.  Working an extra couple hours isn't so attractive when it's on your day off, or after you've already put in 10...Working one day per week from home suits me fine.  No commute, fewer interruptions etc.
 cvg (Civil/Environmental) 31 Mar 10 18:18
 not "technically" allowed at our multi-discipline, 10,000 employee A&E consulting firm. However, some do it.
 berkshire (Aeronautics) 31 Mar 10 21:48
 I think this 10-4 work schedule is more common with medium sized plants on the shop floor. Plant would work 5 am to 3 pm first shift, 3 pm to 1 am second shift. Plant would shut down completely lights out for 3 days. Office would be open 8 am to 4 pm or 9 am  to 5 pm five days per week for customer support. Any overtime would be done on the Friday either a half day or full day depending on the load. I have worked for plants in Georgia and California using this schedule.B.E.
 duck0601 (Electrical) 1 Apr 10 14:05
 At the last place I worked for it was generally 5-10s, more if they could convince you.  I didn't get convinced a lot, which may have led to my current condition of 0-10's.  They asked and I was honest.
 ewh (Aerospace) 1 Apr 10 15:20
 I was told thet 4X 10 was fine, as long as I put in another 8 on Friday. "Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 KENAT (Mechanical) 1 Apr 10 15:37
 Only another 8, you lucky @#$%$%234. Posting guidelines FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm? (probably not aimed specifically at you)What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
 berkshire (Aeronautics) 1 Apr 10 18:00
 That's it you guys need to get paid hourly!B.E.
 brandoncdg (Civil/Environmental) 2 Apr 10 5:09
 I worked at a 4.5 day work week job, that was really nice.For Civils it's not that common to get the full Friday off, because most cities/counties work either the 4 days or get every other Friday off. Civil Development Group, LLCLos Angeles Civil Engineering specializing in Hillside Gradinghttp://www.civildevelopmentgroup.comhttp://www.civildevelopmentgroup.com/blog
 cvg (Civil/Environmental) 2 Apr 10 12:59
 most civils work for both private and public clients. The clients call your cell phone on Saturdays and Sundays, so it is likely you will need to work at least 5 days per week plus OT. Laptops, Blackberries and VPN were made for this reason. Doors must remain unlocked on Fridays in case your client decides to pay you a visit. Perhaps some production staff such as drafters could work odd schedules as long as all the work gets done and somebody shows up on Friday to get the submittals out the door.
 PeterStock (Mechanical) 5 Apr 10 9:06
 You could set it up so some of the staff have Fridays off and some have Mondays off. Peter StockhausenSenior Design Analyst (Checker)Infotech Aerospace Serviceswww.infotechpr.net
 HgTX (Civil/Environmental) 5 Apr 10 15:18
 Technically allowed by my employer, but not by my particular office.Hg Eng-Tips policies:  FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies
 knight185 (Mechanical) 5 Apr 10 20:19
 4-10's would be a dream for me.  My normal schedule is 40 to 50 hours, Monday through Friday and on-call on weekends and holidays.  Usually end up working a lot of weekends throughout the year.
 PJones (Mechanical) 7 Apr 10 15:43
 At a previous job, we worked 4-10s. I took Wednesday off. That solved the Friday coverage problem.Then we got busy and went to 6-10s, but that is a completely different problem.
 plasgears (Mechanical) 7 Apr 10 16:09
 During the VN war, I worked overtime in an aero plant. We did regular 10-12 hrs five days and half day on Sat. In that kind of schedule you will find yourself pacing yourself so that you have energy left at the end of the day. Saturday was all coffee and donuts and BS sessions.I have been able to work smarter and more efficient in an 8 hr day, five days. Proponents of the four day week find opposition from those who want to carry out the usual business and contacts on Fri.
 Thedroid (Electrical) 10 Apr 10 12:26
 I don't like 4 10's at all. I work 7-3:30 M-F, and it's great. I have plenty of time with the family everyday after work, and also have my weekends. Leaving at 5:30 everyday seems to cut short 4 days in exchange for 1 day off. I'm hourly and don't mind overtime, but I want to be making that premium after 8 hours not 10.
 knight185 (Mechanical) 11 Apr 10 9:26
 When I was an engineering intern one of my jobs was 7am to 3pm and that was the best.  I lived only a few miles from the plant and was home everyday by 330pm.  Now I am lucky to get home and be settled by 6pm.
 NomLaser (Mechanical) 13 Apr 10 15:16
 Starting to wish that we had a 4-10 week seeing as by the time I hit the bed Monday night that I already had in over 15hrs in for the week (counting time that I put in on Sunday).
 npcannon (Mechanical) 13 Apr 10 15:21
 I used to work 4-10's 4 miles from my house. I was in heaven, rode my bike into work every day, felt like I could work there forever... unfortunately the employer didn't have those same feelings. My days were shorter than other companies where I'd worked 8's or 9's with a long commute and a required hour lunch. I'm back on 5-8's. It's been almost a year and I find myself taking a friday off somewhat randomly once a month. It's amazing what a 3 day weekend can do for burnout relief. 9/80's is probably my favorite schedule. 10's are long days and with a commute could really wear you down. For customer issues a mon-thu and tue-fri 4/10 break down worked really well. Also staying in contact was required, but rarely needed. -Nate
 spongebob007 (Military) 14 Apr 10 16:03
 We have the 4-10 work schedule, but this so-called "benefit" is really a management scam to get uncompensated overtime.   It is an unwritten rule around here that salaried employees are supposed to work at least a half day on Fridays.  Some managers walk around their departments every Friday and keep a tally of who is in the office and who is not.   I try to take at least every other Friday off.  I don't play the overtime for the sake of overtime game.  While it is nice to have a three day weekend, ten hours can be an awful long time, especially when things are kind of slow.  Nothing worse than having been in the office for six hours and looking at the clock and realizing you still have four hours to go!
 spongebob007 (Military) 14 Apr 10 16:06
 The other way we get a little screwed with the 4-10 is that new employees only get 8 vacation days, instead of the two weeks most get in a 5-8 job.   When the company went from 5-8 to 4-10 the vacation policy was changed from "two weeks" to "80 hours", hence the 8 vacation days.  After five years, employees get 120 hours, or 12 days.
 cvg (Civil/Environmental) 14 Apr 10 16:28
 since you already get fridays off, you can still take a two week vacation - whats the problem?
 KENAT (Mechanical) 15 Apr 10 10:06
 Yeah, spongebob, while the '2 weeks' that most folks in the US get (at least initially) is a be meager however you look at it, I don't see that rating it in hours, as my place does too, makes it any worse. Posting guidelines FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm? (probably not aimed specifically at you)What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
 Gymmeh (Mechanical) 19 Apr 10 13:02
 you mean 5-10 + 5hrs Sat. is not normal? I plan on working of first 40hr week and I am taking a full hour for lunch. I even took time to brows eng-tips!!!spongebob. Where are you that you get 8 days of vacation? I would love 8 days of vacation.
 GregLocock (Automotive) 19 Apr 10 19:14
 Oh. What would you do with 25 days +12 flex days?  CheersGreg LocockNew here? Try reading these, they might help FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies  http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm?
 KENAT (Mechanical) 19 Apr 10 22:12
 thread731-220498: Four tens? Posting guidelines FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm? (probably not aimed specifically at you)What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?

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