General Motors switching to Catia V5?
General Motors switching to Catia V5?
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I heard this through the grape vine and wanted to see if others have heard the same.
With Chrysler switching to NX for all Fiat programs and now GM switching to Catia V5.
With Chrysler switching to NX for all Fiat programs and now GM switching to Catia V5.
Justin
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RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
John R. Baker, P.E.
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RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
I like to reminisce of a big meeting 10 years ago at a very large airframe shop here in LA: I had been the only UG programmer there for several months. They used Catia and NCL. Both Dasault and UGS agreed to come in to have a face to face "showdown". One the one side of the conference table: The Catia Mafia. On other side: the UGS team. It was a pretty grueling couple days. Both sides had to provide finished programs of large airframe parts that we then picked apart for time, effort, cost, and efficient tool path. Long story short - they moved to NX. It's one thing to force the issue of programming in the same environment as the supplier but one again - efficient tool path wins on big parts. : )
But like John said, they still take a look now and then to keep abreast.
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Bill
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RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Like I said, I just wanted to get other peoples opinion and if they had heard the same.
Thank you all.
Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Sometimes decisions are made based on other than technical reasons.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
In the last 15 years I have seen the automotive cad business.
In the 90th the supplier felt free to use the cad solution. I have seen many toolshops working for the automotives using ug switching to v5 because they must deliver in V5 with all engineering knowledge - no UG /Nx thats the mess . The fun is that the long term data storrage is done in step and dxf,pdf
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Chrysler work was done in PDGS and converted to CATIA.
Ford work was done in UG and coverted to PDGS.
GM work was done and delivered in UG.
Saturn work was done in UG and converted to CATIA by Perot Systems for delivery to EDS.
The automotive industry uses a little of everything even within one company. They are always evaluating what the other companies do, as well as other CAD systems.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
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RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Could be the same rumor floating around for quite some time now.
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RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
I heard from an excellent source that Chrysler needs... NEEDS(!) 200 designers/engineers that are fluent in both V5 and NX as yes, they are migrating (but extremely slowly)to NX for future programs but the kicker is that a large percentage of designers are still stuck on V4! Even in Detroit, finding folks that have both NX and Catia V5 experience is a real challenge. So many people moved on, moved out, retired, took the package or plain got pissed off and went and did something else that finding these people will prove to be tough. I had an interview at Ground Zero (4th floor/KBE) two weeks ago and was glad to leave. Depressing.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Benchmarking - would be nice to get the results - the decision in big companys is driven by money and politics.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
I've had Catia v5 training, back in '05 when it looked like we were going to go to a single in-house design system... But even for a small shop with 2-3 Tool/fixture designers it did not make financial sense. While most of our work originated in Catia, Catia just plain costs too much in the long term...
Though now it probably doesn't make much difference as we are so far behind in Maintenance on all of our software it will probably be cheaper to start over with something else.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
mmmhhhh
I suggest to check the source of the rumor...
Toyota is using Pro/E for Powertrain for a long time.
Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
(Sorry a cheap shot at ProE not Toyota)
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Why do you think GM should evaluate Catia V5, and not V6, while V6 was announced 2 years ago?
Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy
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Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
And in those 2 years, how many major companies have actually put V6 into production?
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
On the one hand large corporations must stay (for a variety of reasons) many times 2-3 versions behind. Primary manufacturing suppliers are required to be using that older version as their primary data source. But almost without exception, we then use as close to the latest version because it has the better features to get the work out faster. The only exception is when the client wants the source files back for in-house use.
On the cam side, I think my point is that while large companies are the bread & butter for total seats sold, the small companies are the early adopters of the new versions. Large users tend to have a whole department assigned to finding out if new versions support all the older in-house processes. The smaller ones jump on and enjoy the ride. :)
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Bill
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
No one in Italy.
I know Renault is piloting it.
The "v6" in production are nothing more than Matrix, renamed Enovia V6.
Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
h
BTW, we also have a press release of our own, but figured the above one would be a more interesting read, under the circumstances
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
it tooks years because all parts become parametric.
Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Many years ago we bought 2 seats of UG v15 (ADVDES bundles)@ $17,900 a seat and last I checked our Maintenance was around $2500/yr per seat... And as most NX users know maintenance includes software updates, tech support and access to GTAC.
I cannot remember when we got Catia v5, Maybe 2002, A new customer required we have it onsite. Translations were getting costly and it was time for the other user to move on from Camax Camand anyways... It was $33,000 for a HD2 (Hybrid Design), I believe they discounted it to $25,000. HD2 pretty much had same tools as we had with UG... Maintenance for that was $3300/yr for software updates alone... No tech support included. If you wanted that, you paid extra to a 3rd party.
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Some news:
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
Can't wait.
Justin
Designer
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?
RE: General Motors switching to Catia V5?