Transformer manufacturer
Transformer manufacturer
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Hi all
Regarding dry transformers i am evaluating transformers from ABB manufactured in Zaragoza, Spain against ones from Zucchini factory in Italy.
Can anyone advise which manufacurer is preferable and why regarding quality, performance etc.
Regards
HHHansen
Regarding dry transformers i am evaluating transformers from ABB manufactured in Zaragoza, Spain against ones from Zucchini factory in Italy.
Can anyone advise which manufacurer is preferable and why regarding quality, performance etc.
Regards
HHHansen






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Regards
Marmite
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The best approach is to ask vendors for a users list or reference list with contact information and then call a few for feedback. This is obviously not perfect, since no manufacturer is going to put an unhappy customer on their list, but it can be helpful.
From experience, it is also important to get a list of comparable transformers built in the factory where the transformer will be built. Also, make sure you get a written statement specifying where the core and coils will be made and assembled, as well as the final transformer assembly. Some manufacturers have been known to claim a transformer will be built in a local factory, when in fact, it is only assembled there, with the core/coils shipped from an overseas facility. That may be OK, but only if they are honest about it.
David Castor
www.cvoes.com
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For the two sites mentioned I'd not expect any significant problems, but specify maximum PD levels which will be accepted and limit temperature rise to class F for a class H winding. Heat and PD kills dry types.
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Scotty - I know. Right now, I am having a tough time "refurbishing" 3 dry type Indian made transformers, meant for VFD duty no less, in my shop. Bad core assembly, bad windings, bad materials. The client wanted a 'reliable' performance after the 'refurbishment'. I told him straight out to give me an order for building a new one. Bean counters want a Merc for the price of a Ford. When you pay cheap, you get cheap. Rant over.
Muthu
www.edison.co.in
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Quality, Service and Price those three elements you cannot have all three the best at same time, so pick two that suit you needs.
Good luck!
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Are you saying quality from Indian manufacturers is "third world". I find this interesting since you are obviously in India, and would seemingly present an unbiased opinion.
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The 'reputed' companies in the 'first world' who sell the inferior quality products from other countries, knowing full well that those are pieces of junk, are no lesser crooks. In fact, they are the crooks. It is not that some on the side walk sold them a fake watch!
If you want to buy a quality transformer in India, go to Crompton-Greaves, Siemens, L&T and such. (Just naming a few from memory of many years back, there may be more now).
Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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Muthu
www.edison.co.in
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Thank you, Rafiq.
I would tend to agree; however, are Crompton-Greaves, Siemens, and L&T examples of companies whose mothership is in India? Do you know of examples of "first world" companies that produce inferior products because they are "Made in India"?
Some familiar with my rants will associate my question with my skepticism with quality control found in manufacturers from China.
Finally, should we start a new thread in Pat's Pub?
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Ultimately the client needs to specify what he wants: if the client just wants 'a transformer' then he'll probably be happy with the cheap & nasty type. If he wants a good transformer and wants it building in a certain way using particular components then he should specify it.
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Jimmy Carter
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Those companies, and many others, make their top-notch products in India for Indian market for decades. Many under collaborative efforts and under technical license. Some others are GEC, HBB Hidustan Brown Boweri- ( related to Asea Brown Boweri), S&C , BHEL and such. Bharat-Bijlee makes top notch motors, used to be under Siemens license. But those products are from Indian material and local labor.
Those products are not necessarily exported, mostly because they do not need to. India is large enough market. In fact it can absorb more now.
As for the first world companies, I made my career in the USA fighting to get quality stuff installed, despite specifying quality. Too much junk proposed by 'the first world" contractors! Do not get me started on Made in USA junks now. We can start with cars...if you want. Now that is not to say that quality stuff is not made the USA. Just that junk is equally prevalent.
Much of the junks sold my 'first world' countries is NOT made in India but other countries, inclduing USA and most under their license or surpervision. A walk in your nearest departmental store or Big Box stores will reveal the names.
It just that you get what you pay for. Why would one go to a no-name company to buy a important piece of equipment? If some wants to buy cheap, that is exactly what they get.
Some quality stuff (not necessarily electrical) made in India is not "affordable" in the USA or 'marketable" in the USA by the time you add profit, freight and handling costs. That is one reason many do not see quality Indian products in foreign markets, as other Asian countries have relatively cheaper labor and different playing rules made by politicians.
Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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After watching Transformer industry in various nations, I would say that the highest quality transformers are made in Japan and Germany for their national markets.But let me add, it is not that quality is there in their genes etc stuff,but utilities there specify quality,demand quality,inspect quality( remember the adage you get what you inspect,and not what you specify)and liberally pay for quality and will see to it that if somebody play with quality, he will go in to liquidation.If you are willing to pay only peanuts,you will get a monkey that will be on your back,scratching and troubling you all the time.
In India there are transformer manufacturers -with various degrees of quality and sophistication as in any other country.There are MNCs-ABB,Siemens,Areva,GE Prolec etc, respected public sector units with government control-BHEL,TELK,Andrew Yule, Large Private companies CGL(who acquired Pauwels and Ganz)EMCO, Bharat Bijlee,T &R,Vijay Electricals,Voltamp Transformers etc,and a large number of small manufacturers too.There were high quality transformer manufacturers ( NGEF with AEG collaboration,Easun Engg with Hewittic UK Collaboration) who could not stand competition and went out of circuit.
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Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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Also, I regret my usage of the qualifier "third world" especially with respect to India. In today's global environment I am not sure the usual connotation of "third world" is even relevant. I would suspect there are few "third world" economies left in play.
Further, part of my cynicism arises from my own experience working in many US industries. Maybe I have been blind or naive, but I have not worked in an industry where quality was not a top priority; however, in hindsight, I have never worked in a plant that was not producing for the US market. I am familiar with US companies going offshore to take advantage of labor costs and environmental laws. Another factor contributing to my cynicism is my personal experience with products exported from China that are of such poor quality I am reluctant to purchase anything manufactured from China (and off I go again).