ASME to PED
ASME to PED
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as usual I always get the tough problems, well at least in my area.
A collegue has a cliant in Ireland that is interested in buying a new surplus packaged gas treater in the US and ship it to Ireland.
The packaged unit has pressure vesels and piping. The original U1A's and MTR's are available. welder test reports and all inspections and hydrotest are included.
Is there a company, consultant, process, red taper cutter, bribe (ok not really ethics is still a priority), but a legitimate process that would transfer the ASME code vessels and piping to PED?
A collegue has a cliant in Ireland that is interested in buying a new surplus packaged gas treater in the US and ship it to Ireland.
The packaged unit has pressure vesels and piping. The original U1A's and MTR's are available. welder test reports and all inspections and hydrotest are included.
Is there a company, consultant, process, red taper cutter, bribe (ok not really ethics is still a priority), but a legitimate process that would transfer the ASME code vessels and piping to PED?





RE: ASME to PED
The following link offers a free tool, that identifies the category on the basis of some data.
http://www.red-bag.com/engintools/ped.php
You may or may not need the aid of a notified body to comply with PED prescriptions, and this depends on the category your item is.
Please remember PED is not a design code.
http://ec.
RE: ASME to PED
Greetings
RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
You might want to look at thread404-265072: PED 97/23/CE substitude with ASME VIII, which is asking much the same question.
The way I've read the responses there is that PED is more akin to the American "Code of Federal Regulations" in that it sets down legal requirements.
While you might be able to use an ASME designed vessel to meet the requirements in both cases, just saying that something is designed to ASME doesn't ring all the bells and blow all the whistles.
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RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
You've got a nice trip ahead,
I'm jealous.
RE: ASME to PED
Just for clarity - it's the manufacturer that catagorises his equipment - not the NoBo(he does not get paid for that). The NoBo just ensures that the pressure equipment complies with the PED (if it's in NoBo territory)
RE: ASME to PED
download ped category selection
http://www.stoomwezen.nl/html/downloads.html
RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
Royal & Sun Alliance or TUV are the favoured NoBo's in Ireland if you need them.
Declan
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RE: ASME to PED
Quite hard for a pressure vessel to be under article 3, paragraph 3.
RE: ASME to PED
Good luck.
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We've built and shipped many pressure vessels under article 3, para 3.
RE: ASME to PED
The best chance of success is if the inspector involved in the original manufacture and testing was also a Notified Body. I don't think the NoBos in Ireland would want to take this on. I tend to agree with MrBTU - the chances of achieving PED compliance after the fact are slim indeed.
If you managed to find a way down the certification trail, then the vessels would still likely require rehydrotest, as PED requires 1.43 x Max Allowable Pressure as a minimum. That would be the easy part though.
Cheers,
John
RE: ASME to PED
I didn't say it is impossible and if you usually do, I believe you. Anyway speaking of non-dangerous gas (group 2), it requires Ps*V<50 to be under article 3, para 3 (table 2). Just to make an example a vessel with a max. allowable pressure Ps of 1 barg must have a volume V < 50 litres.
RE: ASME to PED
You say that a the PED requires a hydrotest of 1.43x Max Allowable pressure as a minimum. The plant being to ASME would have required 1.5 x MAWP so testing is covered (i.e. 1.5(i.e. ASME) > 1.43(PED))
RE: ASME to PED
My apologies, I assumed the vessels were built more recently under ASME VIII requirements that insisted on 1.3 x MAOP. If they are much older, then I would guess that getting PED certification would be slimmer than slim.
Cheers,
John
RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
RE: ASME to PED
PED Article 3.3 can be imported without any declaration of conformity. But it still under PED regulation.
DSB123 and ione,
for hydrotes ASME VIII div 1 requires 1.3 Pd with taking into account temperature. PED requires 1.43 Pd and taking into account temperature. I saw an annex Z to ASME that list how ASME meet the PED requirements.
Doffen,
It depends on the equipment category and the notified body. I am about to import vessels categry II from US and approve them following module A1. I require a technical file (mainly manufacturing file) from the manufacturer, I complete and submit to our notified body. We fixed some issues and vessel are shipped. the NoBo will come next month to hydrotest some of them and certify that are conform to PED module A1. it's the second time that I do like this.
I think also for the other category there module for which NoBo is involved only at the final surveillance stage but of course with technical file examination.