Temperature rise of object in the sun
Temperature rise of object in the sun
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Hi,
I have been trying for ages to work out the temperature rise of an object in the sun. Such as a roof of a house.
What i have done so far is used the constant on 1200W/m2 delivered from the sun.
From here i use the reflectivity value to reduce the amount absorbed and then the maximum temperature will occur during at steady state when the heat added is equal to the heat loss.
The heat loss i have done is from radiation and convection and as the temperature rises so does the heat loss.
However doing all this i get a huge temperature rise which doesnt seem real. I am using the correct constants and the temperature in kelvin.
Any help would be much appreciated.
I have been trying for ages to work out the temperature rise of an object in the sun. Such as a roof of a house.
What i have done so far is used the constant on 1200W/m2 delivered from the sun.
From here i use the reflectivity value to reduce the amount absorbed and then the maximum temperature will occur during at steady state when the heat added is equal to the heat loss.
The heat loss i have done is from radiation and convection and as the temperature rises so does the heat loss.
However doing all this i get a huge temperature rise which doesnt seem real. I am using the correct constants and the temperature in kelvin.
Any help would be much appreciated.





RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Thanks God the atmosphere is there.
The thermal radiation is shielded by the atmosphere and the atmospheric gases absorb part of the thermal energy. The sun specific radiation energy drops to 950 W/m2 in a very very shiny day.
Now consider that for your calculations you don't have to take into account all the solar specific radiation quoted above, but just the part which hits the surface perpendicularly (plus the diffuse solar radiation). IMO the first bug in your calculations could be the assumption of 1200 W/m2 for the specific energy delivered by the sun.
RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Moreover, part of the solar radiation is absorbed and part is reflected. Coefficients for absorption and emission are tabulated for different materials.
The net thermal power Qrad transmitted by radiation is
Qrad = alfa*G + epsilon *sigma*(Tsky^4 – To^4)
Where:
alfa = coefficient of absorption
G = Gp *cos(theta) + Gdiff [where Gp is the solar radiation, theta is the angle between the solar beams and the line perpendicular to the exposed surface, Gdiff is the diffused thermal radiation]
epsilon = coefficient of emissivity
sigma = 5.67 x 10^(-8) W/(m^2*K^4) Stefan-Boltzmann constant
Tsky = a value between 230 K and 285 K [atmosphere is assumed to be a radiating body]
To = temperature of the exposed surface [K]
You have then to evaluate heat losses (or gain if the temperature of the body is higher than surrounding ambient) from the "body" by convection (natural or forced), to compute Qtot.
The formula you have indicated and that I have reported below introducing Qtot:
Qtot = M*cp*deltaT
could be used to evaluate the temperature increase deltaT of your body:
deltaT = (M*cp)/Qtot
where:
M = mass of the body exposed to radiation [kg]
Cp = specific heat [J/(kg*K)]
RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Q = area*htc*deltaT, where htc is in W/m^2-K is for convective heat loss, and results in watts, as is your solar load. If it gets sufficiently hot, you should also include radiated gains/losses.
I suggest that you get a copy of MIL-HDBK-310, which shows what a military 99-percentile hot day looks like. And the standard value is 1120 W/m^2.
What's also not accounted for is your object's emissivity, which determines the amount of solar load actually absorbed.
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
The thermal exchange of an object to calm air close to room temperature can be evaluated to 10 W/m2°C (includes convection and radiation, roughly 50% each).
So with a heat input of 1 kW a black body would raise its temperature by 100°C.
This result should be corrected because of two main effects (besides of course the angle of exposure that reduces the effective area of heat input):
-an emissivity of 0.6 is much more common for a real world object with high absorptivity (or emissivity, it's the same)
-an object like a roof, exposed to the sun, will also loose heat by conduction to its supporting structure. An example of a nearly non conducting object is a car: that's why cars get really hot, even if they are white painted.
And of course air movement (wind) will also raise the exchange coefficient and proportionally reduce the temperature rise: with a sustained but non stormy wind (a breeze) the exchange coefficient will at least double.
Conclusion: the theory provides a good explanation of the temperatures anyone can experiment, but it is very difficult to calculate the temperature of an object in the sun with an approximation better than, say, 20°C.
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Yes, that was a specific power (W/m2) so you have to enter the area to complete calculations.
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A bit cold!
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Convection is a delta temperature calculation, so absolute temperature is not needed.
I leave it in K just for convenience.
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
I can't understand the way you can calculate the final temperature of the plate exposed to the sun, without taking into account its specific heat.
RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
The sun's energy is only partially absorbed. A mirror would have a steady state different temperature than a blackbody, because a mirror absorbs very little of the energy to start with. The emissivity as is often used is a crude approximation, at best. For radiometric accuracy, one has do the emissivity as a function of wavelength, but that's just too messy foe this type of estimation.
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The key to whether specific heat is involved is when the question is couched in terms of time, i.e., how long does it take to reach steady state, or what is the temperature rise at t<infinity. In both cases, the change in temperature of the object itself affects the answer, so specific heat is relevant. Part of the discontinuity here is possibly the wording of the question. "Rise" connotes a transient phenomenon, but since time is specified, I assume that the problem reverts to steady state.
The specific OP question does technically require specific heat, because insolation is not constant, and the 1120 W/m^2 value only applies for about 2 hours a day. But, since an object could potentially stabilize in temperature within 20 minutes or so, a steady state problem formulation is plausible, albeit only valid for about 2 hours.
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
If you assume that all surfaces are exposed to the same amount of solar radiation and that that same surface areas possess the same convective heat transfer coefficient, the actual surface area is eliminated from the equilibrium temp equation.
If you sum the energy equations, at equilibrium the absorbed solar radiation must equal the convected and radiated energy from the surface (for the worst case where the body is insulated from conduction heat transfer).
q/A_sun = solar load (1120 W/m2)
a_sun = solar absorptivity (.95 ?)
a_lowtemp = surface absorptivity or emissivity at equlib temp (.95 ?)
sigma = Stephan-Boltzmann constant
T2 = equilibrium temp
T0 = ambient temp (325K ?)
h = convective heat transfer coeff. (10 W/m2-K)
So I have the following energy equations independent of surface area:
q/A_sun * a_sun = Solar loading
a_lowtemp * sigma * (T2^4 - T0^4) = Radiation loss from surface
h * (T2-T0) = Convective loss from surface
Balancing as:
q/A_sun * a_sun = a_lowtemp * sigma * (T2^4 - T0^4) + h * (T2-T0)
Which leaves you solving a 4th power polynomial of the form ax^4 + bx + c = 0
Actual absorptivity and emissivity numbers are the hard part, I would say.
I was getting calculated temp rises of ~55°C which seemed high to me. I have not attempted to experimentally measure this. The local weather station has a website that posts solar radiation levels in W/m2, so it wouldn't be too hard to actually try and measure it.
I think your calculations will be worst-case-type values, where solar load is at a peak, the surface is absorbing a lot of the radiation and emitting very little and the whole thing is in still air.
How did it work out for you?
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
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RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Since I had a lower convection coefficient and lower ambient temperature, the rise in my original model is 84.5°C. Note that the lower ambient temperature actually worsens the temperature rise, because the radiated cooling is less effective due to the 4th power of the absolute temperature.
Overally, such values are not implausible. Solar cookers can take objects above boiling, even on overcast days. A parabolic mirror can collect sufficient heat in a small enough area to ignite paper or wood, which requires a temperature well in excess of 200°C.
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I just picked those numbers as what I thought would produce the worst case based on operating conditions spec'd by a couple military-based projects I've seen.
I'm not very familiar with solar loading and I couldn't find much info on the topic. IR, have you done any testing? What sorts of emissivity and convection numbers are realistic?
A parabolic mirror will concentrate 1120W/m2 down into significantly less m2, so the heat flux goes way up. But yes, solar radiation has a lot of energy, especially when you consider that the source is 93 million miles away!
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The equation is written for a thermal equilibrium, and as per the Kirchoff's law the body emissivity equals its absorpitivity. On the first member (left) of the equation you can't consider the whole thermal power radiation, but only the part really absorbed: so epsilon has to be there.
RE: Temperature rise of object in the sun
Thanks for info, much appreciated.
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athomas236