Foundation Wall Keyways
Foundation Wall Keyways
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Few quick questions for you guys.
Why are keyways typically incorporated into the junction of foundation footings and foundation walls? The only reason I can come up with is for simpler construction. But my intuition tells me that when doing this, you significantly weaken the foundation wall/footing against bending/rotation. Meaning - any moments about the foundation wall/footing will only be transferred by the rebar (if it is specifed) that connects the foundation wall from the foundation footing. If what I am saying is correct, then you should never have keyways in concrete, cast-in-place retaining walls, right?
Thanks in advance.
Why are keyways typically incorporated into the junction of foundation footings and foundation walls? The only reason I can come up with is for simpler construction. But my intuition tells me that when doing this, you significantly weaken the foundation wall/footing against bending/rotation. Meaning - any moments about the foundation wall/footing will only be transferred by the rebar (if it is specifed) that connects the foundation wall from the foundation footing. If what I am saying is correct, then you should never have keyways in concrete, cast-in-place retaining walls, right?
Thanks in advance.






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If anything, keyways complicate forming and are generally frowned upon by contractors. However, they are used all the time and with proper detailing and due dilligence are very dooable.
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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I never use them.
DaveAtkins
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The advantage is that the keyway is easily visible during inspection, sometimes the roughened surface is not as visible, but if you think about it, with a keyway, the shear capacity is limited to the permitted stress multiplied by the width of the key while the properly prepared surface and the correct reinforcement gives you the full width.
Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
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So why does the keyway provide any greater lateral resistance than a solid, continuous pour? Intuitively, that doesn't make sense to me.
Paddington, what are you referring to when you say shear friction is encouraged.
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The easiest way to roughen was to spray a retarder on the area where the wall was to be, and then, after the main part was set, hose off the unset concrete.
The keyways were often formed with two pieces of lumber with a dumbbell waterstop in the middle; I stopped using those when the foam/bentonite waterstops came on the scene.
Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
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A monlithic placement like this is hard to do.
So you pour the footing, form the stem, then pour the stem.
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Paddington, is there a specific section (perhaps in the ACI Manual) that talks about surface roughening as opposed to keyways? I'd like to stay current with the industry standard, and it seems as though keyways are a thing of the past.
One last note on this, are there any other special considerations that need to be taken into account when doing surface roughening as opposed to keyways? Or are there instances when keyways are really the better practice? I would assume that if you are doing a foundation wall/footing, and may have the potential for groundwater, that you would then place a footing drain at the toe of the footing, as opposed to tucked into the footing/wall "joint." Does this sound accurate?
Thanks again for all your help.
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If you expect groundwater to be enough of a problem then you'd use a waterstop, not a key. A waterstop is a strip of copper, polymer or other material that is half-cast into the base, left hanging up and out to be cast into the stem. Expensive stuff and also not liked by most contractors.
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Just calculate the shear and see if it works with "Concrete placed againtst harddened concrete on intentionally roughened". You really dont want to tell them to roughened it because that is extra work (just like keyway).
If it is still not enough then use a keyway. Make sure you use a typical lumber size for the keyway.
Never, but never question engineer's judgment
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1) So am I correct to assume that most people are not using keyways these days? There's still something about the mechanical keying that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
2) I've always been leery of using shear friction for non-roughened surfaces, even with the lower coefficient of friction involved. My reasoning is this: in most elements, the shear friction reinforcing occurs near the faces of the element (walls/beams etc). And, with relatively smooth contact surfaces, the shear friction becomes mostly rebar dowel action. I worry that these bars placed near the surface of the concrete will cause spalling. Anybody else worry about this?
3) I don't think that shear keys entirely deserve their bad rep. It's not just a matter of shearing off the key. I think that the keyways can provide significant shear transfer capability via arch action (see attached sketch).
What I would really like to see is a reasonable way to calculate the capacity of keyways.
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2) I agree - don't use smooth surfaces with shear friction if I can avoid it.
3) A shear key like your sketch is OK, I guess, but I'd rather key in the whole slab at least 1 1/2" to 2" and then still check bearing on the small ledge. I'd still rely on shear friction (with smooth parameter) in the calcs anyway.
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Likewise, I wouldn't use KK's part depth rebate for a slab to wall connection. A full depth rebate, using pullout bars, is standard practice in high rise construction for slip formed cores.
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Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while you realize that they like it
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I look at the extension beyond the key and I sometimes wonder why the requirements for corbels doesn't apply to it.
Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
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Not sure if I understand. When I use a full width key, the entire footing or slab outside the inside face of the wall is at the same level. So if the footing is 12" thick inside, it is 10" thick from the inside face of the wall outward.
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For clarity, I should say that I have a water tank in mind through these musings.
Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
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I think you better to provide a sketch, I am curios to know your concerns, but getting lost here.
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From ACI224.3-08 "Joints in Concrete Construction" (which has just been re-reapproved from 1995's version)
"Shear transfer is provided by shear friction between the old and new concrete, or dowel action in the reinforcement through the joint. Shear keys are usually undesirable (Fintel 1974), since keyways are possible locations for spalling of the concrete. The bond between the old and new concrete, and the reinforcement crossing the joint, are adequate to provide the necessary shear transfer if proper concreting procedures are followed."
I checked the Fintel reference. It's a book, not a test report. Anyone know if there's any testing data out there or have I just found my PhD thesis?
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A member build on the other with rotation caused by large bending moment, there is possibility losing partial contact due to tension at hell, though the compression toe will gain extra force to deliver required shear friction, but in a very limit area (C small). I don't know how reliable the shear friction carried under such condition.
Further more, by any chance once debris get into the joint, there may not have any shear friction capability.
I wondering if there is test done on member subjects to both shear, moment, and stressed to near/at yield.
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I worry about this too. My solution is somewhat convoluted. First, I meet the code by checking the shear friction provisions for the tension steel. This leaves me feeling uneasy, so I provide dowels across the joint at the compression face that are able to take the shear. (I would have provided dowels there anyway, so this is usually just a check) On the compression face, the shear force is away from the face of the wall, so the concrete won't tend to spall.
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1) I check slab shear using the usual provisions but assuming that "d" is from the top of the slab to where I reasonably expect the tie reinforcement to land.
2) I check the tie reinforcement for it's ability to resist the tie force generated by some kind of reasonable arch behavior.
3) I check bearing on my assumed arch / comp. strut.
4) Shear friction for sport.
For the particular joint that I sketched, the notion of using two smooth, unkeyed surfaces and dowel/SF only gives me the willies in the worst way.
LTwine: You're quite right, the tension in one part of a SF connected section is compensated for by the added compression elsewhere in the section. It is common practice -- and necessity really -- to take advantage of this. Shear wall design is a prime example.
MIECZ: I'm not so sure that spalling doesn't occur for that case too (pushing the dowels towards the centroid of the cross section). Do an FBD on the rebar on one side of the joint. Any compression against the concrete on one side of the rebar ultimately has to be balanced by compression on the other side. That balancing compression imposed on the rebar is seen by the cover concrete as spalling inducing tension. This is a better situation, to be sure, but I still suspect that spalling could be an issue.
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I don't see what you're getting at. Maybe a sketch would help.
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Just to clarify, the 10" depth in my example goes outside the wall, all the way to the heel. That way, the step is made with just a lump of timber tied to the inside face reinforcement.
The design of the heel may well be like typical corbel design, depending on the loading.
On the shear friction issue, I wouldn't like to use a flush joint at a suspended slab to wall connection. A wall to footing connection is different because of the wall load normal to the joint, but I still prefer bearing rather than clamping.
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Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while you realize that they like it