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Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

(OP)
http://zaragozame.com/medios-2009/la-cubierta-del-rio-huerva-en-la-gran-via-lucira-una-nueva-cara-gracias-al-tranvia/11/25/

280 m of cover of the river Huerva in Zaragoza, Spain, are being dismantled to be replaced by new beams and slab. The original work has been in service for 80 years and the always seeking nice works council according to its profligacious customs of these days has decided its substitution more on age than anything, for no actual distress signal has there been. Hope the new work is able to stand as much (many would bet not). The walls are retained to sustain the new cover. Even more length of false tunnel for the river remains downstream (might be some years more younger).

The works are framed in the construction of a 27 km long surface tramway, other quite discussed political push of the council, since tramways were discarded about the seventies or so.

Also ... there's talk of deviating the river itself through a pipe ... that would place the interesting question of the new trace of the tubed river ... and would create an around 1 km long void under maybe the most important artery through the center of the town. Real state, mall? Refuge (quite weak a roof)? Parking?

This kind of deviation was made in Valencia and I remember at least a museum was placed in the vacated bed of the river. But normally a significant length of river allows for more than a museum.

Nor deviating rivers is a recent practice. I think it was Nimrod, a king of the antiquity, but might be other, who made him be buried under the banks of a river that was to the purpose deviated. Then, the waters were allowed to return to their bed. More romantical times. Yet surely there were by then richistus (those that had works contract with the council) that were happy with the idea. Like now.

 

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

Only 80 years, huh?  I was in Zaragoza about 30 years ago where a bridge was pointed out to me that was at the time of the observation full of mid day traffic of which it was said that it had been build in the times of the Roman occupation of Spain.  Now THAT's some service.

Besides, the only river I really worry about in Spain is Rioja.

rmw

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

(OP)
heh heh

Yet you are wrong with the old bridge ... it is truly as old, certainly, but had to be partly rebuilt (lost spans) several times, I think both of natural and war causes. Will see if I can find some history about and post.

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

(OP)
Well, the Puente de Piedra over the Ebro River, not "certainly" as old. Said to be the first one from the seaThe first written account date (from the book "Puentes de España") is of 829 AC when it was distroyed by a flood, to be already rebuilt by 839.

http://lacomunidad.elpais.com/angulogarciaj/2008/9/14/historia-del-puente-piedra-zaragoza

Will try to scan that part of the book and post.

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

ishvaaag,

Nice read.  It didn't say it wasn't any older, just that first recorded mention of it is in 827.

When did the name of the city change from Caesaraugustus to Zaragoza?

I have seen old Roman maps in other places where it is shown as Caesaraugustus as well.

It was the first city I ever visited in Spain (if you don't count landing in Madrid and getting on the Talgo there.)  But that was going on 30 years ago, by now.

The year I visited there first was the year that the National Guard (Guarda Civil??) Officer shot up the national assembly with his pistol.  That was all the talk then.

rmw

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

(OP)
Then it was I think 1981. Respect the change of name of Cesaraugusta to Zaragoza I don't know when it changed but will try to find. I know that over 20 Cesaraugustean cities were created by people wanting to please that emperor. Was one better to please, once made to kill someone for just taking notes on his discourse, it seems he was not a lover of free press. One more of the emperors, full of anecdotes ... I think I read this in Suetonio's "The twelve Caesars".

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

I asked about the name change because I have always thought that it didn't occur all at once.  If it did, I'd be interested in knowing that.  Otherwise, try saying Caesaraugustus very fast several times in a row, say 20 times (especially with a Castillian Spanish accent which I assume you speak).  I think that is how it ended up as Zaragoza.  But that is just my guess.

I think you have the year just about right.

rmw

 

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

Thanks, an interesting read.  But... the passage about the name is not referenced well with citations for the assertions made.  So how does one know if that is correct or not.  As a rule, I take what I read on Wiki with a large grain of salt.

rmw

RE: Rfo Huerva (Zaragoza, Spain) False Tunnel Cover Being Dismantled

(OP)
True, was just a quick answer for your question but I myself don't think it but a cloak for the subject matter. Someone is keeping and (in old scholar ways) "hiding" the facts. See, my brother is a civil engineer of the seventies', by then there was not a single book on making bridges in Spain currently on sale, know because trying to make a gift to him on the matter by then. Just one 250 pages long, showing some nice bridges, that's all. It was to some extents, it seems, a mistery school, and in fact some of those related to the headmasters of bridge departments continue designing some of the hallmark bridges even by now. A saga of say 70 years duration.

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