Advice for new Structures Course Professor
Advice for new Structures Course Professor
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I will be teaching a structures course as part of an undergrad historic preservation program. I would appreciate any recommendations for a text, not geared toward historic pres, but a very comprehensive structural engineering "manual". I don't want to dumb the text down, if they have to pay $100 bucks plus it better be a book I would have on my shelf.
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It is only a one semester course and needs to touch on all materials. Anyone recall a good one semester project from a structures course? I have been thinking to assign a specific failure mechanism in a specific material and have the student show me some understanding of the analysis, photos of this type of failure, and help them suggest remedies for repair, then make them draft it. Maybe too much for non engineers, but we shall see.
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It is only a one semester course and needs to touch on all materials. Anyone recall a good one semester project from a structures course? I have been thinking to assign a specific failure mechanism in a specific material and have the student show me some understanding of the analysis, photos of this type of failure, and help them suggest remedies for repair, then make them draft it. Maybe too much for non engineers, but we shall see.






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I recommend that you go to the school library and browse the shelves. When you find some that you like, look online at recent versions and their price. Students are feeling the pinch with tuition on the rise and loans being harder to get. They'll appreciate it if you find something in its 9th edition so that they can pick up an 8th edition cheap.
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read the 3* reviews, I think they raise valid points as it is not a textbook as such. On the other hand as an introduction to how structures actually work it is superb.
In one semester you are going to be hard pushed to get to a mathematical understanding of anything beyond stress in tension aren't you? You will be very hampered by the mathematical level of your class.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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I think getting photos for a specific type of failure would be fairly difficult, if at all possible.
For a semester project, consider this: Give them an observation report that describes the condition of an existing structure. Include specific deficiencies. Maybe state that the owner wants to possibly add on a floor. Guide them a little in which local codes to use aka (IBC, etc) Their assignment is to look at each problem, do the necessary calcs, and make judgment on if it is safe, and if the structure is suitable for expansion. If you really want to be brutal, you can choose a reinforced concrete building.
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If you want to "touch on all materials", why not invent a design project for the class. Show them the architectural drawings of a building. Their assignment would be to complete the design incorporating all of the materials you wish to include. What better way would there be to give them a sneak preview of structural engineering?
BA
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Teaching such a course to non-engineers is difficult, in that they don't have the background to understand the theory and you don't want to give them enough confidence in the material that they'll try to use it!!
For that reason, I approached the course from the standpoint of "why" structural engineers do things, rather than "how" structural engineers do things. For example, why structural steel is used in some applications and why reinforced concrete or wood or aluminum is used in others.
Yes, I taught them basic calculations and how they are used. I tried to give them enough to show that they didn't want to try it on their own, yet would have an appreciation for why we do things in certain ways and need for the non-engineers (architects, contractors, owners) to follow what we do for good reason.
I covered materials, connections/connectors, stress analysis, deflections, system compatibilities, bolts, welds, and code issues (loading).
As for the text, JAE's suggestion is good. There are several others, including the "Parker" series (very simplified treatment of various engineering subjects).
Another Eng-Tips member, FSS, now teaches that course...perhaps he'll chime in here to give some insight.
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Ron, your advice on why and not how is excellent. I also like the idea of them having, when they are done, a book that goes way beyond what they will be able to get from a semester. I could certainly work with an older edition to help costs. Just thumbing through the text will make them appreciate what structural engineers are potentially capable of. I'll check out why structures don't fall down, but I will say that the title may not be appropriate for an historic preservation freshman. I had an architect (fellow instructor now) say in a meeting that "things standing tend to remain standing". That is exactly the opposite of what I want to impress upon these students. "Everything is falling down at different rates of collapse" my quote. If you can identify the load paths and reinforce potential failure mechanisms, then you can slow the process down. I want the students to come away realizing that the transfer of forces is a very dynamic process within a structure, not a static (assumed stable) situation. Photos of failure mechanisms will be difficult to come by and my intention is to have each student find one. After this class repeats, I can develop a nice library of these. Perhaps, when they are in the field, that photo will be recalled when they see a similar situation (then they hire a structural engineer because they remember how freaking difficult the math was). And another thing...historic preservation in this country only deals with relatively young structures. I think some study of situations in other parts of the world would be beneficial as well (not excluding the instructor), but it's only a semester.
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From that one publication stems the need to optain and become familiar with the ASCE7, AISC, AITC, NDS, and ACI specs to mention a few.
Mike McCann
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Being an Aero type guy, his head was up in the clouds...again.
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My thought is to give a qualitative understanding of the difficulties the structural engineer faces when some miracles are demanded of him, and of how the facets of buckling play a huge part in his inability to provide small members to do a large job. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a demonstration is worth more than a few pictures. I think if they have seen the practical effects they are less likely to bang their heads on the wall when we refuse, what to them, seem like reasonable requests.
I'm sure there are other object lessons that I haven't thought of.
Michael.
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We have an SE in the city I live in that specializes in historic restoration and preservation and has done some brilliant repairs to buildings. He speaks from time to time on the topic and is quite fascinating, at least to a fellow engineer. I'm sure you can find someone nearby who has a similar background and who could give a one-day lecture.
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-Structures by JEGordon
-Earthquake Engineering Handbook by some famous professor from New Zealand, will give you the full title and name next post)
-Handbook of structural Engineering (ed by Gaylord and Gaylord)
-Any text by Brockenborough(steel or concrete)
The earthquake book, has a lot of basic structures well told. Brockenborough has a way to talk structures in a way not usually found in most text.
I think you should browse for technical books that you can read in a bus on a long trip and not get bored or use pencil throughout the trip. I think students like to think over a question you pose, when they know you are going to answer it in detail as part of the lecture.
Teaching is a great profession. Thanks for the post
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ijr
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"Structural Analysis of Historic Buildings: Restoration, Preservation, and Adaptive Reuse Applications for Architects and Engineers" by J. Stanley Rabun
ISBN: 978-0-471-31545-2
$140.00 from John Wiley.
It contains a lot of details that were used over a century ago. It also shows how many structural components were designed and compares the designs to current practices.
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Assuming your primary audience is not structural engineers, you might take a look at these three texts:
1. "Simplified Engineering for Architects and Builders," by Harry Parker, John Wiley &
Sons. Major materials, simple math.
2. "Structure in Architecture," by Salvadori and Heller, Prentice-Hall, Inc.
No math, but good intuitive approach.
3. "Structural Design in Architecture," by Salvadori and Levy, Prentice-Hall, Inc.
Many mat'ls. & struct. systems, plenty of math.
>> Bridgebuster, 14DEC 8:23; sounds like an interesting book, albeit kinda expensive for this class.
>> Dm3415, 13DEC 22:28; experienced speakers, with examples, photos, repair plans and specs.; to take the place of students finding failures and taking photos, etc.; those failures are not that easy to find without some experience and reputation and clients or attorneys who need help fixing same. The big student project or search would take up to much valuable time and effort and be to narrowly focused for all the ground that should (could) be covered in a meaningful laymen's approach.
>> Paddintongreen, 13DEC 16:21; dozens of demonstrations to show materials, struct. members and systems, details and connections, along with lectures and reading assignments, probably generate more interest than some specific project, at least that's been my experience when dealing with non-engineers, contractors and some engineers too. After all most of these people will be working for a preservation committee or some such, so tell them why they really need us, not how to be us, structural engineers that is.
>> Ron, 11DEC 7:30; all good sound advice, get his class notes, and you've got it made.
These guys would get my vote as course advisors
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We had to give a presentation and take questions for the preliminary design and for the final design.
It was a very worthwhile experience.
One thing I wish that I learned in undergrad (or anywhere, really) is diaphragm design.
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For both, though, I agree that having them sift through a historical set of plans and/or a modern day set of plans is very useful. Maybe even give test questions on a set of plans and/or make them draw section cuts.
For the historic preservation ascpect, I would also recommnend portions of a book that compares how similar structures evolve over time (Will find the name tommorrow), how they are part of our cultural fabric, and how we can preserve our history through inovative mopdernization and attentiveness to the surrounding environment.
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Your students would require to read a few good books mentioned above, do some research in library, and write reports. Afterall, it can be a year long program to train some good ones to work in this field. Sure, field trips can be fun too.