paralleling UPS's
paralleling UPS's
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hello, İ have a critical load (8 operations room in hospital) and want to feed this load with 2 40 kVA UPS (parallel operation).Maximum load is 80 kva or so, now what if i do this instead of 1 80 kva ups? ups type is online and if i use 2 x40 kva ups it will cost less and i think this will be more reliable, if it is really so it means as i divide the load between 3 4 5 .... ups it will be more reliable and cheaper?






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well what if the single 80 kva ups is gone?? the load will be transferred to the mains, so i have nothing in my hands, at least the 2 ups option sounds good with loads less than 40 kva.
am i right or just a nonsense?? also the more ups gets bigger cost of unit kva gets bigger, so what is the drawback of using 2 ups instead of a big one???
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Keith Cress
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so for the loads above you are right, there is no need for dividing the load to two ups, but for loads below 40 kva per ups it means u can change the busted ups without interruption isnt it so?
i think u might trying to tell me that increasing the ups number will fold the failure probability ? am i right?
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Servicing one unit also takes it ALL down.
If you had 8 units you could always service one unit and only take down one bay. This often means you could find a bay down for a day or part of a day. If you have to have four bays down that is going to be a bigger issue.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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If the load is approximately 80 kVA then you certainly shouldn't be using a UPS rated at 80 kVA. Normally about 80% is the maximum amount of steady state load that you want to apply to a UPS - so in this case a UPS rated at 100 kVA would be a better option.
ups type is online and if i use 2 x40 kva ups it will cost less
No it wont, not if both the 80 kVA and the 40 kVA units are of the same technology and with the same battery autonomy (back-up time) specified. As the UPS size increases, the cost per kVA decreases.
Also the installation costs for two UPSs rather than one will be considerably higher.
and i think this will be more reliable,
No. If it takes both UPSs to run the load then the failure of one UPS will mean that the load will transfer to the bypass (reserve) supply. Effectively you are halving your mean time between failure (MTBF). So in effect, under this scenario, your reliability is halved.
There should only be two scenarios where parallel UPS systems are used:
1. For redundancy. The failure of one module doesn't effect the system as a whole and the site remains on UPS power (N+1).
2. Upgrading. On sites where the existing UPS has reached its limit another UPS can be placed in parallel to increase power.
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I would think that an operating theatre would need as much "belts and braces" as possible (you would have to look at worse case scenario which would be one UPS failing, losing mains power and then the emergency generator not starting").
The only way to go in my opininion is 2 x 80kva UPS's in parallel or the 8 x 10kva as mentioned before.
UPS engineer http://www.powerups.co.uk
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I don't have a pricelist handy, but if you really need N+1 redundancy, looks at two 80kVA or three 40kVA modules.
Don't forget a method of completely manually bypassing your UPSs, if there is a problem with the paralleling gear (usually a panelboard with a main breaker and four branch breakers). The branch breakers are feed from the output of the UPS modules. The main is feed from the utility. There are output lugs that feed to your load panelboards.
Don't forget high quality TVSS (now called SPD surge protection device by UL). This will be to protect the front end of the UPSs from multiple catastrophic utility hits and protect your loads if you are in bypass.
Fraser Jim
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Paralleling UPS's where either one cant handle the load by them self is a bad idea and a really bad idea in a hospital.The point of paralleling UPS's as some people have already noted is for redundancy and redundancy only when the units are physically separated,the point of Paralleling UPS's is if one UPS gos down the next UPS picks up the load with no problem.
Remember the UPS is the most important device in an uninterruptible power system,it is the first device that takes action to keep the load up so the ATS and generator(s) can start and pick up the load.
I would make shure that the UPS is capable of supplying 125% overload and also has an external bypass.
I have designed hospital backup power systems before and I have used a UPS per each operating room,because if their is some sort of a disaster like a flood that takes out your electrical room you still want the operating room to be up regardless...
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Be aware that N+1 paralleling isn't only option to achieve true redundancy. Consider "hot standby" connection (my favorite). That means one unit output connected to other unit bypass input. No problems with communication and load sharing between units. By some calculations, this is a topology with highest availability (MTBF/(MTBF+MTTR). Consider 80+80kVA, or 100+100kVA (depends on load reserve) hot standby as option for centralized protection. The rest is matter of B/C analysis.
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Most modern architectures are moving away from this topology because of the inherent dependence on the static switch of one UPS for the partner UPS to function. In my opinion 'true redundancy' is pretty much what it doesn't offer.
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