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Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

(OP)
I would like to get some help regarding tall wall design with bunch of windows on the second floor!! Wall height apprx. 23'. Please help!!

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

What kind of material?

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

(OP)
Wood framing! This house gets 3/8" OSB sheathing on all exterior walls!

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

You say the wall height is 23 feet.
 
Is that a clear vertical span, or does the wall receive intermediate support from the second floor?

If there is no vertical support, I would design the lateral deflection of all members to L/600 (hjigher than the code of L/360) considering the windows and the fact that it would be considered a window wall.  Depending on things here, you may be looking at a 2X8 or 2X10 wall.  

If there is support from the second floor, there is really no difficult issue to address.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

(OP)
There is no support/second floor! City inspector made a comment saying that he needs engineered design on walls!!

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Is the wall already built?

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

If you used 2X6's for the wall, you have a problem.

Can you post a diagram of the wall framing configuration?  I just hope that you do not have an intermediate double plate at the second floor line.  PLEASE tell me you don't!

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Are you a contractor or an engineer?

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

(OP)
Not a contractor!! Engineer!!

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

I assume you are referring to the dining room walls?  Do you have elevations of these walls?

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

(OP)
Mike,

I am refering to exterior wall near Stair case!

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

These are usually a problem.  Go to APAWOOD or Simpsons and you might get some help from a portal design.  Maybe not.  

At 23' - I have used steel moment frames .....

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

engrreddy,

The Canadian Wood Council, www.cwc.ca has a tall wall guide for designing single storey tall walls up to 11.9 m (39 ft.) in height. Several of the engineered wood product manufacturers also have guides related to their products.

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Have used 11-7/8" LVL's @ 12"o.c. up to about 25' before - spacing and/or final depth would depend upon lateral and gravity loads.  I wouldn't think the actual analysis and design methods would be different from a 2x6 or 2x4 wall as long as you complied with bending, lateral deflection requirements and axial load requirements based upon l/d ratios. If you use a 12" deep framing member and are sheathed with 3/8" plywood, your lateral l/d would only be in the range of 23 or 24. Could also consider light gage metal studs.

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Exterior wall near staircase?  Do you mean the walls enclosing the staircase?

Or do you mean the walls of the Porte Coche?  Is that the same as Port Cochere? But that ceiling is ten feet high.  I can't see on plan where you have a tall wall.

Bulter's Stair...should that read Butler's Stair?

BA

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

I can't see a tall wall either, but if the length of the wall is shorter than it is tall it is often best to divide up using horizontal beams (wind beams).

Elevations would help.

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Depending how they are constructed, the stair assembly itself could provide additional lateral support to the wall studs.   

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

Hire a structural engineer.

RE: Can anybody guide me to an article on tall wall design

If you are referring to the three short window walls at the landing, they are not tall walls in the usual sense because they are laterally supported by the landing.  But because of the large window openings, these walls should be designed as frames to resist wind or seismic forces parallel to the wall.

BA

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