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Resume Inflation

Resume Inflation

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I came across a former junior coworker's resume on a networking site.  He had vastly overstated his achievements and job responsibilities.  For example he said he "managed" one job where I recall he couldn't read any of the drawings or even talk intelligently to the electrician.  

Has anyone else seen this?  Do I just ignore it?  I'm a little concerned about what will happen if we ever end up competing for the same job.

John

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He probably had it 'punched up a bit' by a pim... er, recruiter.  

Given today's market, you probably will end up competing for the same job... and he'll get it, briefly.  When they discover his real talents, they'll be looking for someone who actually has what he claimed.  That's when your honest and verifiable resume will serve you well.



 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

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I am a firm believer in Karma, so if it were me I wouldn't go out of my way to correct this error, If someone asked me then I make give the facts but otherwise his references are for this purpose.
As a person whom is looking for employees now, I can tell you that if you overstate your experience you will be found out in the interview or the first week of employment.  
 

When in doubt, just take the next small step.
 

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A trumped up resume is fraud. Plain and simple it is attempting to steal a salary by deception. It not only cheats the employer of the salary he paid, but also cheats those who did not get the job because their resume was honest.

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Pat is exactly right.  If you suspect this or know of it, call him on it.  Let him know that it is unprofessional and unethical.  If he is by any chance licensed, report him as it is a statutory violation in most areas.

Sorry, but I don't buy the touchy-feely karma crap.  Give him his due.

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That's "doo" Ron, as in Zoo Doo.  

Eventually he will be stuck in a pile of it of his own making.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

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Hey Mike...is that like...da do ron ron ron, da do ron ron?

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No.  That was a good song.  Remember it well.

The tune from his resume stinks though.  Lots of elephant doo here.  He needs to dance to a different tune.
elephant2

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

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A bigged-up resume generally falls flat at the first real (non-HR) interview.  I guess it can be a door-opener though.

- Steve

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I have had personal experience where HR put on a state manager in a small state without checking his references. He was very incompetent and dishonest in many other ways as well to as petty as stealing an extra meal at a self serve restaurant.

I knew some of his past colleagues very well. They told mre his real history. I passed it on but HR covered their rear end and ignored me. 12 months later he lost our biggest customer who was 1/3 of my business units national turnover and 1/3 of his states turnover. We then had to close that office and retrench a few other people and I struggled for viability for another year.  

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Few prospective employers check references beyond verification of their employment period.  Some may inquire whether the candidate would be considered for rehire.

I prefer for a resume' to be somewhat understated. I don't worry much about someone else embellishing their resume' a bit.  Embellishing may include term "supervised" or "responsible" when they only participated.

However, I get upset at clear fraud.  One of the examples is a diploma mill degree.  I would rather hire a non degreed "engineer" than someone with a diploma mill degree.

If an employee submits an application with fraudulent claims they can be fired for cause.  This may include bogus information on a resume'.  However, few companies would pursue the issue for a rosy picture painted on a resume'.

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This guy claimed his last job was State Manager for an opposition company. He was in fact a sales rep and the only employee in that state. He was not a manager and was fired for incompetence even as a sales rep.

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Just drop him a line and offer to be a reference for him.

If anyone calls for a reference you can fill them in.

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MJ,
I'm hoping that was said tongue in cheek... if not, that sets the stage for a nasty lawsuit (even if all facts are true).

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

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The guy is probably likely to present well enough if the interview isn't too demanding and he will get the job.
He will be on a probationary period and HR will probably fail to fire him within that period and if a UK company, they're stuck with him.

What they then have to do is follow the procedures and document every failing until they are bullet proof on justification to sack him. They may even keep him on when they make others redundant just to be sure he doesn't profit financially from a redundancy.

Seen it done.

At least in the US they can usually can him immediately they discover he is defective.

The correct procedure is to interview with particular attention to his CV claims, explore his references and then not give him the job.
Yeah, that's gonna happen?

In "The Apprentice" (UK version with Sir Alan Sugar of Amstrad fame) in last years contest one contestant said he had been two years at University but in the interviews the interviewer found him out... he'd been for just four months.
Guess what, he won the competition.
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/3554129/The-Apprentice-Lee-McQueen-winner-of-BBC-show-despite-CV-lies.html)

The reason you have to worry is that he will be blocking jobs others deserve and because Management and HR are sloppy or have strange ideas about acceptable behaviour.

More important, how widespread is it?

My last company they hired some guy (after I'd left) who had impeccable references and CV but HR fell down on the job and they only discovered, during his first week, as it happens, that he was an illegal immigrant  (who had nicked the identity and CV from an online recruitment site) when the police contacted when they caught him in a disused warehouse.


 

JMW
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I had one apply to my company about 20 years ago.  Resume was reasonably impressive, but he was not licensed in this state.  His resume said another state. His degree was from the same university from which I graduated, was the same degree I have, and amazingly the same year and month of graduation.  I went to a large university; however, the civil engineering department from which I graduated only had about 20 to 30 graduates each term.  This guy wasn't in my class.  I asked him if the month and date of graduation were correct.  He looked at them and confirmed that they were accurate and even implied that I had a lot of nerve to ask such, since he was sure when he graduated.  I knew, at least by site and name, each of the graduates of my class.  He wasn't one of them.  He also never graduated from that university, was not an engineer, was never licensed in my state or any other, and assumed I wouldn't check, because the last firm didn't check (they provided a reference for him).  Needless to say, but I will....I didn't hire the guy.

Moral...if you're going to lie on your resume, find out where your interviewer went to school and don't use that one!

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Similar story.  I was working at a company, and they had just hired a new manager, who had also come from my previous company.  We get to talking, I remembered him, but he had no idea who I was.  He starts to talk about how he came up with all these solutions to problems on a particular chip.  Little did he know, I was working on that chip, and had NEVER seen him do ANYTHING on my project.  Luckily, his project was terminated, so I never had to do anything out of the way.

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Mine is a similar story.

I graduated from Oklahoma State University in January 1972.  I interviewed an "engineer" whose resume' reflected "BSEE, Great Western University, Tulsa, OK 1972.

I thought that I knew of every university in Oklahoma and every engineering or technology program, especially with a BSEE degree.  I checked telephone information at Tulsa with no listing for Great Western University.  I called the Oklahoma Board of Regents who advised that Great Western University was one of three names used by a diploma mill until they were convicted of wire fraud.

Besides not hiring the bloke, I was also upset that HR did not review resume's at all.  This is one way that you can learn about HR.

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From my limited perspective I have a difficult time putting anything on a resume that might be taken out of context or believed to be something greater than what it was. I have a hard time putting 3 semesters of graduate school as education because I didn't finish the degree, though I have been thoroughly lashed for suggesting I should remove it.

I just don't understand how anyone expects false information on a resume to not be discovered, whether in the interview or shortly after being hired. Ethically speaking, my conscience would not allow me to falsify my work experience. Besides, I would rather get hired based on accurate, if slightly down-played, work experience and then surprise them with my skills than get the job based on trumped up descriptions of previous employment.

Seagull - were you really that surprised by HR not reviewing resumes?

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Yes, being naive, I was surprised that HR does not review résumé's to see if they have the skills that you are hiring for - and that a university listed actually exists.  However that was in about 1990.

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The reviewed them, they just did not check them. The resume showed what looked like the correct qualifications or he would not have been interviewed. Unless the guy is local and there is no cost involved for travel, HR should have done some verification of those qualifications.  

Peter Stockhausen
Senior Design Analyst (Checker)
Infotech Aerospace Services

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HR SHOULD check references for any resume that is put in the stack of 'qualified' candidates, because quite frankly, of the hundreds of resumes received how many actually get placed in the 'qualified' stack?

It is surprising to me that the diploma mills were active in 1990 . . . that seems like more of an internet-age type of fraud. But I am young, and may be naive in thinking that those types of activities were much less common before the internet boom. Not that fraud wasn't prevalent, just not that particular type of fraud.

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Fraud is probably the  2nd or 3rd oldest "crime" of man.  MIT's director  admissions was recently canned for not being qualified, after serving with great distinction for more than 20 yrs.

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Interestingly, Sir Alan Sugar, who hired Lee wahtsit as his chosen apprentice, despite his having lied about his education on his CV, is now to become a Lord and be the governments Industry Tzar which sends out -what kind of message?

And yes, Sir Alan has been a "lender" of money to the labour party but, we are told, there is no question of this being a "cash for honours" deal.

 

JMW
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It's a screwed-up system, thanks to lawyers or more correctly, idiot jurors.  When another company's HR calls me for a reference on a former employee, I can't say anything except that he worked here from Hire Date to Termination Date.  Of course, how you say it can give a hint, but an honest discussion (which could just as well be favorable as not) is cause for MY termination if discovered.  

Example of embellishment:  A Engrg Technology grad I hired stated in his CV and in the interviews that he was very adept at Excel spreadsheets.  He showed me some examples that appeared to confirm that.  Once on board, I tasked him with a simple electrical room cooling load calaculation (6 loads).  In the spreadsheet he created (over a 12 hour period!), in the BTU column he had the units as well as the values, and some were kW, some BTU.  I asked how he was able to get the spreadsheet to add the column with the units in the cell, and with the units being different.  (Yes, I know you CAN do it, but...).  Well, it turns out, nothing was being calculated in the spreadsheet, he did the calcs on his calculator and simply typed them into the cells!  After much discussion, it developed that the only reason he used Excel was because it drew nice little borders around each cell.... He literally was unaware of the functions. Gone after 2 agonizing months.

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Ross,

Not sure where you're located, but in the US you do not have to limit yourself to "He worked from date 'X' to date 'Y'...".  The hiring company is allowed to ask specific questions, such as "Was he punctual?", "Did he ever knowingly falsify information?", and "Was he competent in his work?".  As long as you provide truthful answers, there is no actionable material for a lawsuit to work with.  If the kid is really pissed off and he convinces a lawyer, you may get to pre-trial stuff, but once it comes out that you truthfully answered questions asked by the hiring company without leading them, it'll be dropped.

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

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He literally was unaware of the functions.
And he was an engineering graduate?
Not able to use properly... maybe, but unaware?
Where did he get his degree from? one of those junk email places?

JMW
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Unfortunately truth is no defense in a slander suit in Aus. If you criticize someone, they can sue you for real damages even if the statement is true, but they must prove real loss of money one way or another, ie, if you slander them and their business declines, they could sue you for the loss, or if they miss the job they could sue you for lost wages.

Here you do not have to lie, but you are often wise to reply no comment.

The only defense in a slander case is to provide evidence that your intent was the good of the public. They are judged on balance of probability, not reasonable doubt.

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Pat,

So telling the truth about someone's incompetence would probably be acceptable in the case of someone designing bridges or buildings, but probably not acceptable in the case of a secretary or CAD jockey... interesting.

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

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jfpe,

If I understand this correctly, you saw a former coworker's trumped up resume on a networking site where people with his qualifications advertise for work.
 
1. Your complaint is that he said he 'managed' a project where you think he did something less, maybe 'assisted with' or 'participated in' the project.

2. You want to do something, perhaps make a formal report, to let others know that it is your opinion that he did not manage the project and that your former coworker is less than competent.

3. Your motivation for this is that it may possibly impact your ability to get a project for which you are both competing.  

4. Or, he may have gotten a project on which you submitted a bid, or fee estimate, and now you want to get him off the project.

If you are in the US, you may be opening yourself up to a legal claim by your former junior coworker for tortious interference, especially in the case where he won a contract.  You, a third party, is attempting to interfere with someone's business or contractual relationship with another even though you have no legal claim to the contract for the project.

And so what if he said 'managed.'  You can manage a job well, or you can manage it badly.  In the end you will be arguing semantics.  Maybe this former coworker considered what he did to be a managerial role and the people who you considered the true managers, he is calling supervisors, or overseers.  He wants to be called the 'manager' for the project and you want him to be called 'assistant incompetent junior almost engineer'.

My suggestion, drop it.  

If competence is important to the people doing the awarding, they will look for someone else.  If they hire your coworker because he is cheaper and don't care about the competence, it's their decision, not yours.



 

"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"

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Quote:

And he was an engineering graduate?
Not able to use properly... maybe, but unaware?
Where did he get his degree from? one of those junk email places?  

He was a Engrg Technology grad (4 yr program).  He literally did not know how to sum a column, was unaware of the Sum() function.  His solution was to do =C1+C2....  His degree is from a program at a state school that appears (in hindsight) to have low standards.  

Macguyver, I should have stated that my company's policy (not federal law) prohibits me from saying anything.  I am supposed to refer them to HR.  The company's policy is driven by past lawsuits.

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My approach:

The resume gets you in the door; the interview determines what side of it you stay on; and performance determines how long you stay on that side.

When I interview a person, I am always more interested in having that person tell me how they have solved a problem in their past - it doesn't even need to be work-related.  I have interviewed lots of high-calibre engineers with great credentials and experience, but knowledge and experience are worthless if at the end of the day the only thing delivered is a theoretical encapsulation of the problem and a well-backed opinion, when all you really wanted was the phone calls from the field to stop.

I have a small department now; there is one particular individual - very much my junior - who I just "inherited" one day, because management said this person was a "mechanical engineer".  So, since this person allegedly worked for me, I figured I ought to introduce myself.  I knew nothing about this person.  I assigned a few tasks, consulted with the person maybe three times on matters of how and who to interface with, and so on, and within a couple of weeks things went dead quiet.  It turns out the person was so effective that nobody came to *me* any more.  It made me look incompetent and brilliant at the same time.

It's pretty cool when problems come up and all I need to say is "No worries, I'll assign (Person)", and that's pretty much the last I hear of the problem.  What's even better is when the questions more frequently come to me in terms of, "Do you mind if we have (Person) look at this?".

The other (Persons), even more junior, are turning out to be the same.  Now I just sit in my office and eat doughnuts.  It's a wonderful career.

Regards,

SNORGY.

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I had a similar conversation about this kind of thing with my mother just last night.

Mom (telecom IT project manager, ex-engineer) was upset to see what a former colleague put on her resume.  In essence the colleague listed everything that had been in her extensive job description, lots of responsibility for this and that, lots of mention of the complex nature of the project, how many people affected, etc.  Looked very impressive and very important.  Except she was only there for two months.  As my mother put it, "After two months you can barely find the ladies' room."  And some of those tasks Mom knows for a fact the colleague didn't do, because Mom was doing them.  Maybe eventually the colleague would have done them if she'd been there longer, but she wasn't.

So Mom looks at these things and is in turmoil about what she should put on her own resume.  She can't bring herself to do anything she thinks isn't honest, but she feels she's at a significant disadvantage against people with lower scruples, and wonders if she's just looking at things the wrong way, and maybe she needs to revise her notions of relevance etc.

I said that hopefully someone looking at that colleague's resume would note the two months and disregard most of what she'd described of what she did, but in truth I'm not so sure.  I do not believe in karma, do not believe that what goes around comes around.  I believe that more often than not the sleazier people are the ones who get ahead because they have a set of tools available to them that non-sleazy people do not.

So how does one promote oneself all the way to the edge, without being dishonest, but without selling oneself short by even a centimeter?  I don't know that the line is really all that clear.  I've had people tell me, from within an organization I was applying to, to bump up my self-assessment on certain skills or other knowledge items on the job application.  To me, "knowing" means one thing.  To someone else, it might mean less.  Et cetera.

I suppose the key is to find someone else who does have a good sense of how to do this, and just go ask them each time...

Hg

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I think that it really depends on the interviewer.  I've seen similar bits of inflation, but it was clear that the interviewee was not necessarily even qualified to do much of anything, except possibly throwing BS.

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If BS is a job requirement, then a certain amount of puffery is justified.

Which makes technical people easier to interview.  In just a few minutes, you can question them about specific factual claims and directly evaluate whether they wrote the book, read the book, or didn't know there was a book.

 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

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Our own companies are often at fault for poor screening questions.  

Example:

"Are you familiar with ProgramX?  Invariably, one can convince oneself to answer in the affirmative.

During interview, "So what have you done using ProgramX?"  "Oh, I didn't actually use it, but I looked over the shoulder of someone who was."

The interviewee didn't lie; he was "familiar" with the software, just never actually used it.

A more useful question might have been, "What level of expertise do you have with ProgramX?"

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If a candidate is always answering with short or yes/no responses, the interviewer is not doing their job.  On the same token, the candidate is not very impressive, either.  During interviews, I respond to such yes/no questions with my comfort level with the application, as well as any pertinent examples of such use.  Obviously this is more difficult during the early years of someone's career, but even using it at school is useful experience.

It also helps to document work on your resume as it is performed, not two years after the fact.  If your resume is worded well, the interviewer(s) can ask more intelligent questions.   

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

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<psh> If that's the case, I'd Google the app, read a few sentences about it's use, then answer the question affirmatively, as well.  Sounds like HR could use some help writing the questions...

Dan - Owner
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Hmmmm, Thermal Night Vision software by Ontar... thanks to their demo, I could probably muddle my way through it if it was in front of me.  Granted, my thesis work was on adding/removing noise from digital images and perceptibility of that noise (watermarks), so I already have the theoretical background.

Still, having never seen or heard of it until now, I could answer affirmatively to "Are you familiar with it?" and probably be able to fake it for a few days until I really learned the ins and outs of it.  Is that a good thing?  Yes, if you consider it means I'm a fast learner and/or I can make whatever logical leap is necessary to handle the problem... no, if you consider I knew what the intent of the question was and chose to lie about it.  If there was a "notes" section on the computer interview, I would answer 'no' and point out my familiarity with similar software or the theory behind it.  That's the sensible thing to do, but I would cringe selecting "no" if I was unable to explain myself... that could put me at a disadvantage to someone who answered "yes" for the above reason.

Dan - Owner
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When push comes to shove and they can't find an exact match for their job spec among the candidates (can they ever?) then they have to look for other abilities.

More important to them is to know which skills they value you ringing and which skills they can teach you or you can learn elsewhere or on the job.

I'd favour a candidate who said " I don't know much about it because it didn't feature in my previous jobs but I can learn." and who then shows how they had to learn new skills on their last job.

I'd put ability to learn and to think above some other "skills". Let's face it, no two jobs are the same and in our own jobs and in new jobs, our ability to think and learn and apply what we have learned ought to be key properties.

Of course, HR and management don't believe in indispensibility and nor do they believe that they should have to invest time or money training people.
They think (and depend on) recruiting pre-trained people and rely on other people doing the training, most usually, their competitors.

Of course, HR don't really think it through nor do management. I wonder how much time and thought they really give to defining the job spec and candidate profile. It's why we live in an imperfect world - imperfect people in management and HR.

So of course, people may feel inclined to lie on their resume's but the of the ones who lie you have to hope you choose the ones who can make good on their lie (St Elizabeth Of Hungary Syndrome) who are quick learners and not the ones who will spend the rest of their lives ducking any tasks calling for the skills they are supposed to have but don't.

JMW
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RE: Resume Inflation

OK, so here are the interview questions, for someone claiming expert knowledge of the program:

>  What sensors have you simulated with NVTherm?
>  What do you usually put for atmospheric transmission?
>  What do you usually do for simulating -40°C operations?

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I should point out that, oddly, I've never gotten to interview an actual expert in NVTherm.  I don't think those guys ever get laid off...  If you actually were an NVThermIP expert, you'd understand just how secure your job is... winky smile

Brownie points if you can describe the difference between NVTherm and NVThermIP.

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Quote:

Brownie points if you can describe the difference between NVTherm and NVThermIP.
The replacement of the Johnson Metric with the Targeting Task Performance (TTP) Metric?

Dan - Owner
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>  What sensors have you simulated with NVTherm?
CLASSIFIED
>  What do you usually put for atmospheric transmission?
WHICH PLANET?
>  What do you usually do for simulating -40°C operations?
IT NEVER GOT THAT HOT.

 

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"The replacement of the Johnson Metric with the Targeting Task Performance (TTP) Metric"  Bzzzzzzz.

The TTP Metric predates actually NVTherm2002 altogether; being the curve that got you probability vs. range, since the Johnson criteria only gives you the 50% probability range.

What makes NVThermIP different, and a guarantee for job security is that prior to this version, range predictions were based on finding the intersection of the demand curve, which is the target contrast propagated through the atmospheric transmission, and the sensor performance curve, usually the Minimum Resolvable Temperature, which was the approach used since the early 80's.  NVESD decided that this approach only emphasized the performance at one particular spatial frequency, while a target is composed of many spatial frequency components.  

So, in NVThermIP, they use an integral of the target contrast as a function of spatial frequency to determine the range performance, which is then tweaked to roughly match what the Johnson criteria gave you.  The tweak is that you use a V50 that's 2.7 times the Johnson criteria N50.  The end result is that it's more difficult to determine, a priori, what a sensor's performance will be, before you run NVThermIP.  Moreover, NVThermIP actually penalizes you for excess performance, because that results in aliasing, which they discount in the model.

There are other various and sundry modifications to the vision model, and how to account for clutter in the field of view of the sensor.

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This thread has clearly drifted off track.  winky smile

RE: Resume Inflation

Little inflation is required if you respond properly to job ads.  Just paste the ad into the second paragraph and edit so that you do everything that they are looking for.

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Hi all,

I'm based in the UK every job and for every job i've been offered i have had to fill out an application form. They invariably have a statement like " I hereby declare that the details shown are correct and complete to the best of my belief. I understand that enquiries may be made to    verify these details. I also understand that any false statements or the withholding of any relevant information may provide grounds for rejection of my application or termination of employment".

I'm surprised that in the USA where, let's face it, they are far more litigious that it's not a standard practice.

Pat - i did some digging into Australian law because what you were saying about defences to defamation in Australia didn't stack up in my mind. You are correct that the plaintiff does not have to prove that any statement is false only that it caused them "harm", however truth IS a complete defence against libel / slander and it does not have to be qualified. There is even a defence of qualified privelege for things like employer's references and the defence can only fail if the plaintiff can prove it is motivated by malice. The defence of "honest opinion" must show that whatever was published WAS opinion, based on fact and in the public interest.

In any event - if someone gets a job based on falsehood and then wants to sue for someone telling the truth in a reference then good luck to them. The papers could have a field day!

Re the original post - i would NEVER hire someone without taking up at least two references. What goes around comes around and eventually people who lie get found out, then let's see them find work.

Regards all, HM

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As well as stated references, I seek opinion from people I know well who I think may have had dealings with them. The plastics industry in Aus is small enough for that to be viable.

I haven't read the law, I was only restating as I understood them, the reasons given to me by a laywer when I was considering answering questions about a dispute. Terminology was critical and I had to remember certain scripted quotes to answer certain questions.

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Hamish,

Those statements are practically boilerplate on US applications, but it's up to HR and the higher ups to actually implement them.  Except in cases where security is a concern, anything more than a cursory check is rarely done.

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Why are you worried about some one else, dont you have enough to worry about nowadays?

All liars and cheats are usually found out, some take longer than other.  I think they make movies about the really good cheaters.

Hold your head high and all I know is I can go to sleep at night and have not fluffed up my resume to liar level. lol

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Why are you worried about some one else, dont you have enough to worry about nowadays?
I'm sure we all have plenty to worry about, but removing incompetent employees from the workforce makes the rest of our jobs that much easier.

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Whom gets to decide whom is incompetent? me?
 

When in doubt, just take the next small step.
 

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Yes, 'we' do
peace

Fe

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State regulations indicate that an engineer shall not say anything that attacks a fellow engineer's reputation.

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State regulations also indicate that an engineer shall not stand idly by while unethical behaviour on the part of another engineer takes place.  What's your point?

Hg

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1. If the "junior engineer" is not registered the State Board" isn't likley to consider the case at all.
2. If he is and they do look at it there more like to be like Casseopia than anyone else here.
3. Boards in states that I am registered in do not accept annoynmus complaints.  You better have you facts straight, if you don't prepaired to be sued.  

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State regulations indicate that an engineer shall not say anything that attacks a fellow engineer's reputation.
Per the thread on determining if you're an engineer, I'm not one based upon the fact that I'm not a P.E.  Therefore, I can disparage someone's reputation without concern :)

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Isn't truth a defence in a libelcase in the USA, as opposed to state engineering witch-hunters?

 

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An opinion is neither Truth nor Lie.  

When in doubt, just take the next small step.
 

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Truth used to be an absolute defense against libel... but recent and pending events could change that.  We seem to be infected with a bad case of groupthink, and worse.  I hope it's not terminal.

Some professional boards seem to make it up as they go, much like a kangaroo court.  Pardon the expression.



 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: Resume Inflation

In the UK, at one time, it didn't matter if it were true, it was still actionable though I think it has changed a bit now.

It was the damage caused, whether by truth or lies, that was at issue. This could be justifiable if the truth served no other purpose than damage, I guess.

Today even newspapers can be sued successfully.

JMW
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On this site we are mostly engineers and not lawyers.  Criminal law often defines acceptable defenses.  In civil law much is in the hands of a jury.  My preference would be to avoid the lawyers.

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