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Pipe Stress Engineering

Pipe Stress Engineering

(OP)
All,

ASME is finally shipping L.C. Peng's new book, "Pipe Stress Engineering" this week.  This book will be a classic.

Regards, John

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Thanks for the update, I can't wait to get my hands on a copy!

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Thanks for sharing that with us John.

Can you please tell me how I can get a copy?

Also, I wanted to ask you -in your opinion- if this book is better or the famous "Design of Piping System"? or maybe it is a little bit more simplified?

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

4
(OP)
Hello,

L.C. Peng's (and T.L. Peng's) new book is comprehensive.  There is nothing "simplified" about the book.  It is a good balance between the theoretical and the practical.  It is very up-to-date in a world where "yesterday" is not enough.

So much has been learned about piping engineering over the last 50 years (the Kellogg book, "Design of Piping Systems", is 50 years old now) and so much of his new knowledge is spread around so many volumes that it is hard to find it all.  L.C. Peng's book, "Pipe Stress Engineering" is 486 pages and there is NOTHING trivial to be found on any of those pages.  This book is NOT a guide (not to trivialize guides - there are at least two excellent guides available).  It is a learning/teaching aid and as such the student (and I hope that includes all of us) MUST read it from cover to cover several times.  As you learn, the more you will understand in the next reading.  It is not fair to compare this book to the Kellogg book, it so far surpasses the Kellogg book in content that there can be NO comparison.  This is NOT to trivialize the Kellogg book - THAT has been the gold standard for 50 years.  It is just that there is now a NEW gold standard.

By the way, did I remember to say that I LIKE this book?.

Regards, John

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

John,

Just looking at the table of contents suggests this is make for a pretty comprehensive textbook quality guide for pipe stress engineers.  Definitely looks promising.

Edward L. Klein
Pipe Stress Engineer
Houston, Texas

"All the world is a Spring"

All opinions expressed here are my own and not my company's.

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

OK - So back me up.  I've got a very old version of the Kellogg book.  Their nuclear valve division doesn't have new copies available, so how can we order the latest?   

Ebay?

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

(OP)
racookpe1978

What is it you are asking for?

The old M.W. Kellogg book "Design of Piping Systems" is all over the Internet now.  It has been out of print since about 1965.  Email somebody and ask for it.

If you want to purchase a copy of the great new L. C. Peng Book, "Pipe Stress Engineering" go to the ASME site and LOOK AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS - then buy it if it suits your needs.

http://catalog.asme.org/books/PrintBook/Pipe_Stress.cfm

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

JohnBreen (Mechanical)

John, do know when Glen Woods and Tony Paulin: PCL GOLD Book for Piping Engineer & Piping Stress Engineer will be availble later this year?  

L S THILL

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

(OP)
Hi Leonard

I was not aware Glynn and Tony were working on a book.  I will ask them about it and get back to you.

Regards, John.

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Thank you John.   I appreciate the advice.   

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

John,

Is this book (Pipe Stress Engineering) useful also for beginners or is it more helpful to the more experienced engineers?

Thanks

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

(OP)
SOROURA,

"Pipe Stress Engineering" is for everybody who aspires to be a knowledgeable piping engineer.  For the "beginner", the first read through the book will take more time but the Pengs do include basic concepts so it will not "lose you".  But even after you have a few years "under your belt" you will continue to find this book helpful. This book will still be a good reference book even when you have read it five or more times - you may not remember everything that your read by then but you will remember where you can find the information. Take a look at the table of contents on the ASME web site.

Regards, John.

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

John,

With your recommendation, and that of my boss who employed Mr. Peng earlier in his career, several of us in my company got together and did a group purchase.  I got my copy a few days ago.

I agree that this is a landmark piece of work.  While nothing can replace working with an experienced mentor, this book will go a long way to raising the quality of stress work for those who make the investment in their careers and get this book for themselves.

Edward L. Klein
Pipe Stress Engineer
Houston, Texas

"All the world is a Spring"

All opinions expressed here are my own and not my company's.

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

John,
     Just got my copy of the from ASME. After a quick flip through I look forward to a closer look. There are a number of aspects in there that a lot of Stress Engineers have no concept of.

Regards

DSB123

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John,
      I have a question. I have just been reading the section on Code Stress Requirements and in particular the paragraph on Page 123 with some interest. The paragraph seems to say that to calculate the displacement stress range Se you have to calculate the stress range due to thermal effects (including any anchor displacements) and then add the amplitude of the stress range calculated due to seismic anchor movements. If this combined stress is greater than the stress range due to seismic anchor movements then this should be compared with the Code Sa value. If not then the stress range due to the seismic anchor movements should be compared with the Code Sa.

There is no implicit mention of this within the Code as far as I can see. Is this paragraph correct and aligned with the Code?

Regards

DSB123  

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

My copy arrived over the weekend. I have nly had a chance to skim through it so far, but it looks like it has lived up to the hype. I bought the book largely based upon what was said on this thread.

Thank you John for bringing this book to my attention.  

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

better get  now:

Pipe Stress Engineering
Order #: 802854
ISBN #: 9780791802854
Published: 2009
Product Type: Print-Book
No. of pages: 500
This item is currently unavailable.
The scheduled delivery date is: 12/2009
 

L S THILL

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JohnBreen,

A little off topic.

Did either L.C or T.L. Peng write the piping stress analysis software "Pipe Plus"?
The was the first software to effectvely use offsets to describe the pipng system. This was later sold to Algor.

There was also an engineer named Peng who worked in Monsanto Central Engineering that we worked with on piping.


 

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Unclesyd,
           I beleive the Peng software is called "Simflex" which has been out since the 1980's at least. Not sure they were involved with Pipeplus though.

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LSThill,
         Your response just confirms my statement so why post??? Pointless!!

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unclesyd, I have not seen 1 pipe stress program that did NOT use offsets. You name it - Caesar II, Autopipe, Triflex, Caepipe, Simflex.. each and every one appears to use offset dimensions for input.. and as I understand it, they've always offered offset dimensions for input from day 1. As I understand it, the original developer of Pipeplus sold it to Algor in the 90's and shortly thereafter left. I have heard that Pipeplus was the 1st pipestress software program to pioneer Excel-like spreadsheet piping input, and from what I have seen, that appears to be true..

We just ordered Peng's book. For those who don't know, please be aware that ASME's system for pdf book versions is very, very onerous. Any book or standard purchased as a pdf will 'lock' onto the first PC it is installed, and you cannot pass it to other engineers one-at-a-time. Zero portability after you pay the money. That's why we're ordering book versions rather than pdf.

T.L. "Alvin" Peng used to work for KBR in Houston and has periodically worked with his dad L.C. in developing the Simflex program.   

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Zippy....

Thank you for that warning on the ASME .pdf purchase trick.

I have repeatedly found that the ASME organization repeatedly "almost" tells you all necessary details about a purchase.

Responsible honesty and quality customer service has been an "iffy" item with them for many years.

My opinion only

-MJC

   

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

802854-PIPE STRESS ENGINEERING
ISBN: 978-0-79-180285-4
scheduled delivery date of 12/15/2009
 

L S THILL

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Reference.

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

(OP)
I think the original PipePlus (before it was renamed with that tag) was written by Mike Chin from Houston.  

ALGOR is now owned by Autodesk and I believe they are offering a limited time free download of the most recent manifestation of the piping software.

Its a long story.

John

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Hi JohnBreen (Mechanical)

History ALGOR in the erly 1990 when TONY PALUIN did the support for the ALGOR software and ALGOR handle FE/Pipe.

After TONY PALUIN, in the mide 1990 left their was very little support for ALGOR SOFTWARE.

JohnBreen (Mechanical), PAULIN RESEARCH GROUP NEW PIPE STRESS SOFTWARE IS VERY NICE.

JohnBreen (Mechanical)PLEASE GIVE PAULIN RESEARCH GROUP NEW PIPE STRESS SOFTWARE A TEST.

JOHN, THANK YOU
Stephen
Leonard Stephen Thill
 

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

There was once was an engineer named Peng
 who worked in Monsanto Central Eng.
 His efforts abound
 About things that are round
 and all who worked with him on piping.

I couldn't stand the stress any more ...Had to do it.  8<)

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

JohnBreen,
I recently ran across some old notes where I had talked with "Mike" about running Pipe Plus, glad to find out his last name. There was a note where he told us he had sold the software to Algor. This was back in the old 286 days and when you talked about running an analysis you meant running and running, hours.

I also found out the Peng in my original post was the Peng referred to in the post by racookpe1978. If I recall it was Pat Peng.  

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racookpe1978 (Nuclear) 27 Jun 09 11:19
REFERENCE TO YOUR MWK

If you need: & IF IN HOUSTON
MWK-1941, DESIGN OF PIPING SYSTEM, 10,032 KB
MWK-1956, DESIGN OF PIPING SYSTEM, 119,482 KB

 

L S THILL

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Overseas right now, won't be back in the US until (probably) the first weekend in January.   

Reference your 1941 and 1956 values, are those saved sizes?

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racookpe1978 (Nuclear) 27 Jun 09 11:19 REFERENCE TO YOUR MWK If you need: & IF IN HOUSTONMWK-1941, DESIGN OF PIPING SYSTEM, 10,032 KBMWK-1956, DESIGN OF PIPING SYSTEM, 119,482 KB


yes: Reference your 1941 and 1956 values, are those saved sizes?  

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Intergraph® Acquires COADE®, Leading Stress Analysis Software Provider

Intergraph®, the world's leading provider of enterprise engineering software to the process, power, and marine industries, has acquired COADE® Holdings Inc., provider of CAESAR II®, PV Elite™ and TANK™ products, the industry's most widely used software for pipe stress, pressure vessel, and storage tank analysis, as well as its popular CADWorx® plant design suite.
  
The strategic acquisition of COADE is Intergraph's largest in the process, power, and marine market. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. The acquisition will expand Intergraph's SmartPlant® Enterprise engineering solution suite by bringing together the world leaders in plant design and pipe stress analysis. The expansion of Intergraph's SmartPlant Enterprise design, construction, and data management solutions with COADE's analysis offerings creates a powerful software solution that will provide users in the marketplace with unmatched capabilities.

The acquisition of the Houston-based software provider also extends Intergraph's market presence and ability to serve smaller projects with COADE's CADWorx solution, a modular, AutoCAD-based 3D plant design system. Intergraph is ranked as the No. 1 worldwide 3D design and process engineering tools (PET) provider according to the PET Worldwide Outlook Market Analysis and Forecast through 2013 by the ARC Advisory Group.   

For more information about the COADE acquisition, please visit www.intergraph.com/ppm/coade.aspx .
 

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LSThill,
         Superb effort of "cut and paste". Well done again!!

RE: Pipe Stress Engineering

Ordered my copy from Amazon.

So Intergraph picked up another victim (er, company) eh?  Hope they leave Coade alone, though that's doubtful.

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