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pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?
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pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
hi all
      i want to know average cost for a detailing,drafting,modelling job?how do they do pay  hour basis? sheet basis?? no of sheet basis??does it defers from continent to others? i am working for a mnc we do detailing,drafting,modelling to US,europeon countries..its my intention to know how do the process go...i feel that my company is extracting more work  and gaining a lot...pay less..

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

In which country?

 

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
I am indian..i am in southern part of india....BANGALORE

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Naresh:

Most CAD jobs I have had pay on an hourly basis, with the understanding that I put in a full week of work. Sometimes I had to work more hours than I billed just to get the job done and not scare away the client.

I have only had one job where I was paid based on the number of "drawing packages" I completed. I was taking old AutoCAD drawings, modeling them in Pro/E and making new drawings as per the client's standards.

In both cases: The work in the beginning is usually slower, since you need to get accustomed to the clients' standards and requirements. There may be multiple iterations on the first drawing before you get it to the customers' liking, especially when you are just starting out. If you are clever about it, you can set up templates, shortcuts and other tricks that make the work go faster without sacrificing drawing quality and accuracy. When that happens, the work that you do later on will go by much quicker. But this only works well when there are a lot of drawings to do, since the time you invest in setting everything up is "paid back" by being more efficient later on.

I'm sorry, I can't give you specific advice about pay rates in your part of the world, as I have never been (but would love to visit some day).

Quote:

i feel that my company is extracting more work  and gaining a lot...pay less..

That the story of my life, and the lives of many others here smile
 

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
justkeepgiviner

     we do the same here ,,,but we need to be flexible..multiple customers in different softwares.working in one particular software is hectic now-a-days.so i feel that i have been giving much effort for less pay..any way thanks for your information...



 

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

I can't divulge the specific numbers but we have one place we've used a little that has an office in South America.  The rate there is around $20 give or take a fair bit depending on volume and other factors.  How much of this the actual drafter see I don't know.

We are nominally charged by the hour.  However, when we give them a pack we estimate the number of hours and they agree and that then becomes the price for that package, I believe.

However, the amount of administration required on our side, and some of the difficulty getting packs prepared to our requirements means that we aren't giving them as much as some here had anticipated.

I'm not clear if you're asking how much you should be paid for drafting or how much your company should charge - obviously not the same thing.

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

All I can tell you is that there are companies in India that offer CAD services (no engineering design) for as little as $10/hr. In the USA a full time CAD operator get paid $25 to $30 per hr (on average) plus company benefits. The clients are usually charged at $70 to $80/hr depending on the complexity of the work.

If you offer something more than plain CAD you can get more.

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

$25-30 you're talking more of a machine designer/engineer level.

I've seen most pay for just CAD detailer ~$10-15 where I've worked at.  Not including benefits of course.

James Spisich
Design Engineer, CSWP

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Just out of morbid curiosity, Naresh, how much of the ten bucks an hour are you getting?


 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Well, I am in northeast usa (which has higher costs and pays) and the industry I relate to is engineering consulting, good firms!

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Plus for designers with more than 7-8 yrs of experience, I should say. Yes, they are part designers, a little more than just drawing lines and objects.

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

rbulsara, I was talking California prices, not cheap either.

There is a wide pay range depending on the area, CAD system, other duties...

However, I've seen quite a few jobs advertized down around the $15 dollar mark.

KENAT,

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

For simple drafting/CAD work, no engineering, $10-15/hr USD is about correct here in the U.S.

Chris
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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Over here in Oz we'd pay around 30-40 bucks an hour, maybe 50 for a senior guy (Exchange rate is about 0.7) for our (few remaining) in-house contract drafters. On another project I found that this was more efficient than a $15/hour outsourced O/S CAD, as a good drafter is 4-10 times as productive as an average one, and of course infinitely more productive than a nuff-nuff. I estimate that managing an offsite drafter is probably a 10-20% hit.

To be honest my experience with Indan CAD guys is that 90+% are graduates who did a CAD course and have a copy of the student software at home, and will work, enthusiastically but without result, for $3/h. Of the remaining 10% most seem to be experienced front men who can talk the talk, and then hand the job to a dusty room full of the same graduates as above, who actually do the work. Perhaps I am a cynic.

In one case I put a job out for quote and got responses ranging from "I'll do it if you teach me how", to 40 hours (from a $15/h man). I did it myself in 4 hours.

 

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Greg Locock

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Greg, sadly it appears your second paragraph description covers a lot of 'CAD guys' from various geographic locations.

naresh843, it may not be the case for you, but often Cad guys/jockeys/monkeys etc. may know more of less what button to push on the software but know little or nothing of the skills required to draft or model well capturing design intent, addressing things like tolerancing and basic engineering/design issues & comine up with robust product definition.  To me that is little more than a minimum wage job, not much more complex than knowing what buttons to press on the register in a retail store.

I want a drafter/designer who uses CAD as a tool, I don't want a 'CAD guy', it's one reason I dislike my current title of 'CAD Engineer' (apparantly picked off of some salary survey somewhere with no real thought to what I actually do).

15-20 years ago would I have been a 'drafting table engineer' or 'pencil engineer' or 'eraser shield engineer' etc.?

Sorry, a bit off topic but the difference is significant, some of the really experienced designers here, without a degree, are making about the same $ as me.  A CAD jockey would be lucky to be making half.

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
Thanks to all for sugestions...

          But scenario over here in india is totally different,,,none of the indian companies hire the employees for hour basis..its very rare we find companies like this...
   And as per my knowledge some of companies pay still like hour basis and its pay is $5/hr (average).A perfect designer gets 20$/hr atmost..i think its very low...compare to other countries

         Its still decreased now a days due market crisis...
 

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

naresh, most 'direct' (working for a company rather than as some kind of contracter) drafting jobs in the UK & US aren't hourly but salaried.  However the equivalent hourly rate is in the ranges mentioned above.

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
thank you kenat...

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Considering my last task before being downsized was to prepare my complete Pro-E model that I'd been working on for 3 years to send to India to create break-down drawings, this is a sour subject for me. Normally, we do all of the design work, shop drawings and assembly drawings here, but our new owners see things differently.
I know you make a lot less than we do here. I don't know your living conditions, work conditions, or anything about the Indian taxes, government or anything.
The Chinese are baing taken advantage of at the expense of US jobs. I think to a certain extent Indians are also.

David

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

$10-$15 per hr for CAD in the USA? That is exploitation. Look for some other jobs. Janitors get paid more than that!

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Of course janitors get paid more.  It's a less plesant job.  If I was given the choice of doing CAD drawings or Mopping floors at the same hourly rate I'd go for the desk job.  It takes more training, but not much more.  Perhaps a two week course to get the basics and then a couple months on the job training to get proficient and you're there.

-Kirby

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Quote:

... a two week course to get the basics and then a couple months on the job training to get proficient and you're there
I agree, if you are only copying from existing drawings.  Unfortunately, my experience reflects that of KENAT.  Being able to efficiently utilize the software is not the same thing as being able to create a good drawing.  Knowing the software does not make one a good drafter, nor does an engineering degree.

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

From what I've read since posting here, you could live like a king in India for the equivelant of 10-15$/hour US.
I started out as a detailer back in 1993 for $9 right out of school. Worked my way to a design engineer making a salary of around 40k. Due to lay-offs, downsizing, and off-shoring, I've been stuck at that salary for a few years. Have not successfully negotiated a higher starting salary anyplace I've started a new job at. The mareket is tough around here. If I won't to do the job for the rate they want to pay, there are likely 10 others who will. I've gotten to where I'll take about anything to stay in the design field.

David

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

"...a two week course to get the basics and then a couple months on the job training to get proficient and you're there."

Depends, depends.
Some out there (even some college graduates) don't get the basics after 6 months.

The mistakes are so numerous, and so .. stupid, I can't tell you the number of times I wanted to throw some people out of the window.

Every now and then, I get a really bright kid, and then as soon as I am all filled with hope, the guy is just too good to stick around.

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Naresh, a lot of companies are outsourcing to India right now (includin my company).  I am from Asia and I have a pretty good idea how much the cost of living is in India.  The fact that you come from 2nd most populated country is not helping you either.  If you want higher, they will find someone else to do it cheaper.  If everyone want higher price, then US/European country will go back hirig local people or hire college coop.  The fact that outsourcing is so cheap is what makes it worth the investman.  New engineer in some south east asian countries makes $500/month.  That is a lot less than $5/hour and it is not even drafting.

Never, but never question engineer's judgement

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

(OP)
COEnginner,since i dont know the market of CAD services and its financial issues....so it was my intention to know..if its not confidential,can you let me know,,how usually do they charge ?? whether its based on per hour basis?,each sheet?,or size of the sheet,like A4,A3,A2......??

Thanks in advance

UG NX5,SOLID WORKS

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

I'm in the US, Although I'm more of an engineer than a CAd draftsman, I've ussually been paid by the hour, however my last job was salary.

You are in India. You are cheap. That is why you have so much business.
You people are being taken advantage of along with the Chinese, and other low-cost labor countries. From what I've read, your boss and the company owners are getting rich offo f you and your fellow employees becaue you don't know any better.
NAFTA has made this a winning proposition for big companies (Upper management and CEOs), and a losing proposition for American citizens who've lost their jobs due to outsourcing.
You people need to stand up and demand fair pay. True that some business may get brought back to the U.S., but a level playing field will mean a better situation for everyone.
I've turned off the email notification to this thread.

David

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

If only it were that simple...

"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
 

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

They person is a salaried engineer working for a company in india that has a branch in California.  They take percentage of the person's salary.   

Never, but never question engineer's judgement

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

As davidinindy said; "this is a sour subject for me".

His view is not the voice of reason.

RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Oh, he's being reasonable. He's just chosen to pursue a poorly paid career in a field that is easily outsourced, whilst living in a relatively expensive country.

A logical person might not think that was a great strategy, but from his perspective it is perfectly reasonable that free trade, and his unwillingness to move, and lack of foresight, should not affect his future wealth. Ideally the state would determine his utility, 'sadly' most regimes that thought the same have disappeared.

According to The Economist India has a ppp of about 274%, so an Indian CAD contractor on $5 ph would have to earn  US$13.50 per hour in the USA for the same standard of living. Since there are large numbers of Indian graduates pursing that $5 ph job it is unlikely that an entry level grad has much ability to 'demand' higher wages, and if he did then they would be out of kilter with the rest of his society.






 

Cheers

Greg Locock

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

I know that a couple of years ago my company (engineering office) got €60,-/hour from the company I worked for. I got "only" €9,- of it..

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Composite Engineer
Vekoma Rides Manufacturing BV
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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

15 years back the company I worked for got $330 ph for me. I got $45.

Could /I/ have got $330 from the same customer? No.




 

Cheers

Greg Locock

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RE: pay for drafting.modelling,detailing?

Oh, he's being reasonable. He's just chosen to pursue a poorly paid career in a field that is easily outsourced, whilst living in a relatively expensive country .

Gotta be worth a star
 

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