×
INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!
  • Students Click Here

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

Jobs

forged steel screwed fittings
2

forged steel screwed fittings

forged steel screwed fittings

(OP)
I'm a CAD user being assigned a piping job... so I'm getting a little overwhelmed by terminology.

I have to create a parts library for several "forged steel screwed fittings" sizes (according to NPS). Right now I'm just working with 90 deg elbows.

Moreover, my specs sheet only gives an A and B with a picture almost identical to this:
http://www.bonneyforge.com/specs/fittings/threaded_90.cfm

The specs are not exactly the same, however, so I know that the "forged steel screwed fittings" I'm working with are not exactly the same. Nevertheless, these are called "threaded" whereas mine are called "screwed." What's the difference?

Continuing on: Is there a way I can find out the dimensions for the flange? On the same site I found specs on the flange of a very similar looking elbow, only it is called a "socket weld" instead of "threaded".
http://www.bonneyforge.com/specs/fittings/socket_90_elbow.cfm

Would this page be of any use to me in determinining flange values, or is this "socket weld" entirely different from the "threaded" version?

Any information would be appreciated.

RE: forged steel screwed fittings

razzendahcuben:
I pity you if you are a CAD operator and have never had any basic technical training in piping.  You will find a lot of terms you will not understand.

You said you are creating a parts library for AutoCAD.  You don't need to create your own.  These libraries already exist. go here:
http://www.pipingdesigners.com/downloads/Autocad.htm

You wrote: "Nevertheless, these are called "threaded" whereas mine are called "screwed." What's the difference?"
There is no difference. Threaded fittings have threads and are screwed together.

For a catalog of the different flanges go here
http://www.texasflange.com/Dimensioncutsheet.htm

To help you with some of the basics of piping please go here:
http://www.pipingdesigners.com/Training.htm
and read everything you see there .  Print all of it out and start yourself a Piping Training manual.
 

RE: forged steel screwed fittings

(OP)
Thanks for the help! The trouble is that I'm using SolidWorks, not AutoCAD. SW doesn't have a very big fittings library.

I'll check out the links, but if you don't mind I'd like to get a few things sorted out:

Can you explain the difference between threaded, socket welded, and butt welded fittings? The latter two have a shoulder, whereas the threaded fitting does not, correct? And the seal is formed at the shoulder rather than with a tapered thread?

If you can answer those I think I should be set. Thanks so much.

RE: forged steel screwed fittings

See FORGED FITTINGS, SOCKET-WELDING AND THREADED
ASME B16.11-2001.  For piping terminology, I regard the term threaded to be the same as screwed.  I am sure that others will clarify if this is not so.

RE: forged steel screwed fittings

Your best bet is to go to the source, like Seagull says.

ASME B16.5 (flange), B16.9 (weld fitting), & B16.11 (forged fittings) to start.

I've found those dimensions to be more inclusive than most commercial catalogs.

RE: forged steel screwed fittings

razzendahcuben:
You wrote:
"Can you explain the difference between threaded, socket welded, and butt welded fittings? The latter two have a shoulder, whereas the threaded fitting does not, correct? And the seal is formed at the shoulder rather than with a tapered thread?"

No! this is not quite correct.

I will try to correct your thinking.

Both the screwed and the socket-weld fittings have a shoulder like band around the connection point.  You can consider these thickened shoulders as a reinforcement of the connection end.  This "band" tends to makes up for the material cut away when the threads are cut for the screwed fitting and for the drilled out socket for the socket-weld fitting.

Go to:
http://www.pennusa.com/pennpage/directory/forgecat/forgcatl.htm
For details on more screwed and socket-weld fittings.

Screwed fittings have inside (female) threads.  The pipe for screwed piping has outside (male) threads.  To make a joint the pipe is threaded into the fitting.  Depending on certain commodity and design conditions pipe dope or Teflon pipe tape is used to help seal the joint.

Socket-weld fittings have a hole (socket) drilled in the connection end of the fitting.  The diameter of this hole is the same diameter as the outside diameter of the O.D. of the pipe (plus a little clearance).  The pipe has a plain end cut.  The pipe is slipped into the socket to the bottom.  Then it is pulled back 1/16" to allow for expansion during the welding process. The weld for a socket-weld fitting is a single fillet weld completely around the joint, sealing the connection.

Butt-weld fittings do not have a shoulder or reinforcement.  The connection end of a butt-weld fitting has a "Beveled" end. This bevel is normally made by machining during manufacturing.  Butt-weld fittings have a consistent wall thickness much like pipe.  There are some exceptions but these are not important for what you are doing right now.

Butt-weld fittings are joined to pipe or other butt-weld fittings by a "full penetration weld."  The term "full penetration" means that the weld is the full thickness of the wall of the pipe/fitting.
 

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members!


Resources