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Fault level on tie bus

Fault level on tie bus

Fault level on tie bus

(OP)
Gooday,

We have a 30kV switchgear lineup with tied section A and B. The tie breaker is normally open. However, it will be  closed for a paralled incoming operation not more than 20 seconds before switching for maintenance . The worst case of fault level on 30kV bus is parallel incoming operation with closed tie  breaker. What is the fault level when we design? The parallel operation with closed tie breaker or separate operatin of section A and B with open tie breaker?

Thanks,

Parkpower    

RE: Fault level on tie bus

20 seconds is a long time so the safe answer is to use the highest level of fault current. Even if there is serious documentation based on engineering review, I would use the hihger level.

JIM

 

RE: Fault level on tie bus

20 sec is the eternity in electrical world. Use the higher sc rating.  

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RE: Fault level on tie bus

Ideally, you should base the design on the maximum fault current with the tie breaker closed.   This is what the NEC basically requires.

In the real world, there are sometimes exceptions, but if you are designing new equipment, I'd assume the worst-case, especially if you are stuck on the 20 seconds.  These transfers are often done with 1 or 2 seconds instead of 20.  

You have to also consider that the arc-flash level will nearly double when the two sources are in parallel, even if the breakers are adequately rated.   

RE: Fault level on tie bus

20 cycles would be a long time for closed transition, as stated above, 20 seconds is the same as for ever.  Closed transition can be reliable done with the two sources paralleled for less than 100ms, but even then I'd rate the gear for parallel operation.

RE: Fault level on tie bus

(OP)
Thanks all,

worst case shall be my choise. Switchgear short current is rated for 1s or 3s. 20 second is really a long time.

Parkpower  

RE: Fault level on tie bus

Switchgear short circuit current withstand time and switchgear change-over time are not related each other. The first one depends on fault clearing time with back-up protection.  

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