Office Engineers Doing Field Work
Office Engineers Doing Field Work
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Do you think it is acceptable to send engineers (salary, exempt) to do field service work? There is absolutely no engineering/business work to be done at this site. We are short on field service staff at the moment, and so they immediately turned to the engineering staff to complete this installation. This is long hours away from home doing work that was not in the job description, that is dirty, dangerous, and office engineers are not qualified to complete. There will be no monetary reimbursement (besides applicable mileage/meals). Is this appropriate? Do you find yourselves in this situation? Is it normal? Thanks!





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Other people here get sent abroad several times a year. Similare issue on the no compensation, expected to travel in 'non work' time, pay yourself and get reimbursed etc.
I don't think it's appropriate or reasonable. When it's really important I don't have a problem with having to do the trip but the lack of compensation etc. is not my cup of tea. However, in an 'At Will' situation, it may not be easy to say no, although you can always try to find a new employer.
At my last place we did a lot of in the field testing etc but it wasn't exactly field service. It wasn't formally compensated but they'd usually find someway of making it up to you, especially if you did it a lot.
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I guess they think we just go home, watch tv and drink beer by ourselves every night. I get frustrated because I like to get my projects done at home, enjoy time with friends and family, and sleep in my bed with my wife. Even when we're done for the day, they're keeping me from doing what I want to do just cause it's too far away. But maybe that's just me or maybe I'm too whiney. Thanks for listening to my rant and for your responses.
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Once in awhile is a good thing...
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If you just mean getting a bit of practical time in is good I agree but having been messed about on this kind of thing by management, for what appear to the the OPs situation I'd disagree.
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And Mike, I've busted my arse already in life, more than you will ever know. It's why I finished college. Yes, there is plenty for me to learn. But there is nothing for me to learn on this trip. I don't even deal with this product.
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Travel on your own time - pretty typical for "professional" positions, but not for field service staff - who are typically paid travel time door-to-door.
If they are only going to pay you for 8 hours, go work for 8 hours.
"there is nothing for me to learn on this trip. I don't even deal with this product." - then you can learn about the product.
Yeah, you may be getting a bad deal, but your whining "I don't want to get my hands dirty" attitude is worse.
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Many jobs will give an estimated percentage of travel time; if the assumption was desk job, then lots of travel is beyond what can reasonably be expected. Lots of travel to do something outside one's normal job description is even less reasonable.
At some point "other duties as assigned" crosses the line into abuse; if turning a wrench isn't where the line is drawn, how about wielding a mop for the nightly bathroom cleaning?
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My job description didn't include on-site project management, but doing it for a couple of years made me a better design engineer (I rarely spec anything these days that simply cannot be built). My point is that if they want you somewhere away from home badly enough, there are generally areas for negotiation.
David
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One of my bosses once threatened to send me up in a customer's helicopter, after trying to adjust some of my stuff. I guess my response to this did not work. I have not yet got to fly in a customer's aircraft. :(
I agree with MintJulep and MikeTheEngineer. A certain amount of fieldwork is good for you.
If the work is dangerous enough to violate work place safety programs, than you have something to complain about.
JHG
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I guess I've come off sounding like I have not done any field work and don't like getting my hands dirty. Neither of these are true. Also, by dirty, I meant that there is more than just dust laying around. Respirators are required. All PPE has been furnished.
I am simply going out and doing the work that a pipefitter, laborer, and highly qualified installation contractor would do. No engineering work whatsoever. Again, no bonus, no extra pay, no comp time, nothing. Yeah I may sound greedy and harsh, but I think the company is acting greedy in this case.
Is there a line to cross? How far is it? I posted this question here because it is NOT an easy question to answer.
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Please don't be rediculuous. I don't understand how you equate "doing the work that a pipefitter, laborer, and highly qualified installation" (and I doubt that last part) to being an engineer. After years in office and out (up to 750 mile long pipelines as an engineering construction manager), I will not let one of my engineers "carry a piece of pipe", or do any welding, etc. Qualified for the work is qualified for the work. A good "pipefitter" is a good pipefitter and s/he cannot be substituted by an engineer, just as I would not substitute a "pipefitter" as an engineer!
IMO the tasks as described are an inappropriate use of resources, probably on both sides of the asile, not to mention violation of any applicable union work contracts and a couple hundred safety violations.
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The word "qualified" brings up the question of OSHA (USA assumed). It would be violation to be performing hazardous work you are unqualified to perform. Tell management they will need to budget for fines, training, or both.
Exemption does not follow a glorified job title, it must go with the duties. The work you describe is not generally considered exempt. Check your HR laws.
Is this a non-union shop? Easily handled if there is a union, just quietly sugest to the shop steward that you are doing their work.
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V
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I've done a few cable drawings but am not a qualified technician to do soldering, does that mean I'm no good?
I've designed lots of machined parts but only have the most rudimentary practical machining experience and am not qualified to run a CNC machine.
I've done drawings of bombs but am not explosively qualified to fill them with explosive myself.
The list goes on.
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"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."
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If this is true then surely it's not acceptable. If he was just going to observe, see how it's done (and maybe lend a helping hand to the qualified staff) even provide some kind of oversight that's one thing. Doing work he's not qualified to do, and then not getting reimbursment for significant extra hours adds up to a situation I wouldn't be happy with.
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The OP quotes,
"I am simply going out and doing the work that a pipefitter, laborer"
Seriously, since when is that engineering work?
As for assembling what you design or other imaginary qualifications, how many aerospace engineers here that can fly the *^*&% space shuttle, properly install o-ring, or fill the tanks with lox? You can betcha that I don't want to see some geek sitting in the cockpit of the next one I board, thank you very much. Who thinks pipefitting can be properly done by the average office piping engineer?
I'm all for sending them out for a look-see as a training mission, but if you're charging a client for it, he's sure getting ripped off. I damn sure wouldn't pay for it.
"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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I agree with that, but it sounds as if the OP is talking about assembly of parts, not creation of the individual components. If you design an assembly, but cannot assemble (not talking about manufacturing) it yourself then, yes, you are no good. I've seen many assemblies created on CAD that, when the engineer was asked to go to the manufacturing floor, had no idea how to put together his own assembly.
V
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On the other hand, keeping engineers perennially in the office helps to disassociate those engineers from the real world on which engineering is supposed to be based.
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If nothing else for some of the small stuff I deal with here, my fat fingers make some of it a bit fiddly. The small statured, small fingered, assembly staff are somewhat better.
Your take on it was different to mine. The things that stood out to me were the safety/qualification issue; the fact that there is alternate field support staff who could be paid overtime but the company refuses and would rather use engineers who don't get similar compensation for non core hours etc; that it wasn't in the job description and that it's by no means the first time it's happened recently.
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I am not being rediculous. I am Vice President of Engineering for a heavy construion firm dating to 1843. We design and build all manner of temporary and permenant work. I have a graduate degree in soil mechanics and licences in two states. I am on the boards of two industry associations. How did I get started? Cleaning sewers with a pail and a shovel for $8 an hour. Eventually I worked my way into other assignments, learned to survey and finished engineering.When I got out of school I ran work as an engineer/ asst.super. Despite everything else I have done and learned, my most valuable experiences are out in the field. I do associate trades men with engineers. If I am unsure how to support something or detail a joint, I often will dicusses it with one of our riggers or supers. They have uncanny insight as to how systems and strucures work. Often more so than some engineers.
For years I have heard engineers complain about lack of recognition and compensation. Yet as some one who is on many sides of the issue, I do submit the quality of design has significantly degraded over the years, to the point where as the contractor, we are requested to verify the integrity of the contract designs. Owners feel that designers are more nebulous in their details. This leads to claims by contractors, which in turn leads to further obfiscation of the design. The major reason for this is that there is a deep and wide gulf between engineering and actualization (be it manufacturing or construction) of that design.
I recently hired a design engineer who is an experienced designer. Shortly after starting he was on a barge with a pile driving crew. He loved it.
Jut07
Working in the field you will see how designs are built. You may be shocked. You will learn how to interact with the people who build your designs. You will learn how to interact with clients. There is much to be learned about engineering that has little to do with the engineering you learned in school. Do you think the guy that owns your company got to where he was simply because he was good at analysis? I doubt it. Life has as many oppertunities as you choose to create.
All
Thank you for reading this far. Good night.
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That smells like someone upstairs thinks you are the obvious candidate to do the next generation of said product, once you understand why it's having problems in the field.
Opportunity is knocking. Answer the door.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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Never mind that I'm not qualified to run the tool and am only familiar with the mechanical aspects on one minor sub assembly which only might be causing the problem.
At worst I can cause a few $ tens of thousand damage to our tool, take it off line for weeks for repair causing the customer $millions in back log and destroy a few $thousand of their product in the process, which of course may discourage them from buying another tool from us in the process.
Clearly I've been wrong to suggest they send somone from system test/integration that spends all their time working on the tools and is familiar with not just the mechanical aspects of this one sub assembly but also knows how to operate the tool, teach the robot, interrogate the software, is familiar with clean room protocol...
Shame on me, it will be well worth my missing important deadlines on my in office projects, the price of the plane ticket halfway across the world, accomodation, loosing a weekend with my family, having to pay for the ticket and accomodation on my credit card...
Just so I can see if a couple of screws are too loose/tight and a couple of valves are open properly, assuming I can bring the tool off line in the first place, and more doubtfully bring it back on line and do the required testing to verify correct performance.
I'm off to pack.
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Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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I'm not nocking field/practical experience, it is highly valuable, probably undervalued and should arguably be emphasized more in training new engineers etc. However I still don't see that is the only, or even major, issue in the OP.
jut07, at the end of the day you can just accept it & learn what you can, or vote with your feet at the first opportunity.
I'm still concerned by the 'dangerous... not qualified' in your OP but several posters with what I believe to be more experience than I at least some of whom I know to have given good advice before, disagree.
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I wasn't doubting your very impressive qualifications. I just don't think you thought out your answer to this particular question very well. Perhaps you were just identifying too much with the few similarities this question had to your own background and experience and that clouded the issues. Placing an engineer in the field to do ENGINEERING work is of course the best way for an engineer to get the most practical experience he can ever get, but to send them out (not as a learning experience) to do field labor (as the OP has stated) is not a proper use of resources. If you are indeed advocating that practice, company owner, board director, CEO, manager, or not, I think there's still just a little bit you can learn. I suggest that you should work the month of January as a field laborer (just to make it interesting, at field labor rates), then go back to your office and see what went wrong with your company while you were away.
"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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Also, it turned out to be not quite as dangerous (air pollution) or long as advertised. That was a pleasant suprise. Unfortunately, the amount of engineering experience I got was zero. There was a lot of "get this, push here, wrench that, don't think just do." That was not as pleasant.
As for building things, I used to work in industrial construction. I know how things go together (not to say there's never anything new). I also used to be in organizations in college that required a lot of machining, fabrication and assembly. Again, I'm not underestimating the value of learning a new product. Unfortunately (and I forgot this detail earlier) this product will be discontinued in the very near future.
Back to my original question, how many of you actually go on "mind-numbing" service calls? Is it normal and ethical to bypass non-exempt employees and ask exempt employees to step up and donate a ton of hours? I'm not really looking for supporting arguements either way, just a poll.
DRC1,
You do have impressive qualifications. I got started by shoveling manure out of barns at $5/hr. Then I graduated to farm equipment (which was cool to work on) and combined with my billions of hours with my erector set and interest in math and science, I pursued engineering. I wouldn't pick any other career path. It sounds like I'm taking a similar path that you took and it seemed to have worked out well for you.
I've seen quite a few designs by engineer's that I don't think can tie their own shoes. The designs are obviously flawed and maybe field work (of any kind) should be mandatory. I don't know. I do know, however, that I've proven myself as a no-bs engineer who can look at how things "actually" work. Unfortunately at the same time, I've proven myself as a good wrench turner. Is it fair to make me go on service calls because of that? Do you go on service calls?
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But even these types of visits can be productive if you make the effort. I got to meet face-to-face with people I had only communicated with via email or phone. I got to see their operation, how organized (or not) they were, what their work habits were like. Its a business culture thing, one more item to file away in your brain for later.
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Some of the other Engineers who actually know something usefull get sent several times a year.
However, in most of those cases it's because it's a special or something so their support is needed. However, some of it's because some of our field support aint all that.
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- Steve
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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- Steve
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- What does linearity mean.
- What is superposition.
- What is orthogonality.
- How to work with complex spectra.
- How to work with decibels.
The sort of things "experts" should really know.
- Steve
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I think to answer your question some field labor non engineering work is good for the development of an engineer. I do agree that there is we are not trying to make engineers into riggers or plumbers, but it is good to have been there and done that. Yes not being billable is a cost, but to have engineers who have a sense of what happens to the design once it leaves the office is a good thing. And yes I do believe that hanging around tradesman, you can learn a lot about engineering. But then I believe engineering is much more than anlysis and code compliance.
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Most of the customers I met were already very upset with us when I got there. I was our last resort, and "A Team".
There's no feeling quite like turning a pissed-off billionaire into a lifelong customer. I really miss that job.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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Not understanding those terms is indicative of an underlying problem. Are your manuals written in the native language of your users, or are the users simply not qualified in the basic theory they need? Is it the difference between "users" and "button clickers"? But these subjects deviate from the thread's title significantly. Perhaps we should start a new thread.
"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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An example.
NVH "specialist" from a well known OEM emails us to complain that our program is giving wrong results. Their vehicle has two tailpipes coming out of a rear muffler. He claims (insistently) that the combined level (at a specific order) should be 3dB higher than the individual levels from each pipe taken in isolation. So WHY does our program say it's 6dB higher?
The result, I have to put in a section on how to add decibels, explaining the difference between coherent and incoherent sources.
- Steve
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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My current company will send engineers when necessary into the field even to do non engineering work. Some for Durations of up to a month.
However, the salaried employees get all expenses paid and $100 Bonus a day.
Most of the job sites are in the armpit of the Earth, if they did not do this no one would take the jobs...
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Thinking that as salaried personnel you shouldn't get your hands dirty or must be compensated for any time past 40 hours is the type of thinking that promotes unionization of professions.
I've been salaried since I graduated from college. Sometimes I've worked 45 hours in a week, sometimes over a hundred. So what. I've learned so much from field work that has helped me in the rest of my practice I considered it a privilege to do it.
Can you really afford such elitism in the long term?
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100 hours a week without extra recompense is exploitation, unless you really love to do it.
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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For myself, I want the team that finishes the job.
And I suppose you'd want to shutdown Medicins sans Frontieres because they give away their services?
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I'd expect to pay overtime, or have the next crew come on shift. You haven't flown nonstop intercontinental flights over 8 hours with union pilots?
"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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Sorry, I don't buy it. BigInch isn't suggesting that he would never work past 8 hours a day, or past 40 hours a week. He's just saying that he expects compensation for that extra work (comp time off, bonus, or whatever).
The MSF thing is a non sequitur.
If you don't think you should be compensated for work past 40 hours a week, why do you expect to be compensated for the first 40?
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In the petrochem engineering field, all the "big engineering houses" happen to have the same policy too. As most of them charge by the hour, they get no money for any engineering hours not charged and working OT w/o charging those hours creates a special havoc with automatic manhour estimate, progress balancing and invoice generation. In fact its these exact concepts that probably explain why its pretty unusual to see an engineer mixed in with all those MBAs and lawyers sitting in those board of director's chairs. They just don't want to take the time to explain those basic concepts to engineers that think they are doing a good job when in reality they're generating negative revenue. Besides, I never thought it looked very good if you couldn't get your work done within normal working hours anyway.
"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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So let me get this straight.
Working extra time to fix your own mistakes is unreasonable, degrades the proffession...
Working extra time, away from home over an above what may be reasonably expected of an exempt employee, in potentially dangerous conditions, doing work you may not be qualified to do... because management wont pay hourly staff overtime is a good thing?
I thought engineers were meant to be logical, or am I the one not seeing the logic here?
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Mistakes? Recursive definition....
I thought I made one of those once, but I was wrong.
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Half my job is fixing mistakes made by the vendor, the office, the construction contractor and the sub contractor and the other half is doing the things they just plain didn't.
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Coffee breaks, rotation, travel time, vacation, FICA contributions, green lines, yellow lines and red lines are all part of the work.
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If you don't pay for fixing the mistakes we find, you'll just have to pay field extras for fixing the ones we don't.
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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Mine apperently was different than most in this forum, but I am very happy for the choices I made.
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"I think it would be a good idea."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948),
when asked about Western civilization
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If you are willing to work alongside a technician and he knows that you can work in the field, you will get a lot more respect and cooperation.
My Dad ran an industrial fabrication shop and when I decided to go into engineering, he told me that I was not going to be what he termed "an arm-chair engineer." I learned to cut and weld steel, cut, fit and weld pipe and sweep the floor.
There is nothing wrong with getting in the field, as long as you learn from the experience.
Ken
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If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?" - Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing
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It's the specific circumstances that make some of us more sympathetic to the OP.
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There was the day when a wall mason lost grip of a long rebar, and he contacted a nearby high voltage line. He was nearly killed. We all got sued over that one, and the company fought it out. Never heard more about it.
Then the steel union came around to complain that we were employing non-union people to build a power security gate. I explained, no, we were not seeking to avoid the union; we were busy getting jobs done. I put that job in a later time slot.
I later got the job of plant engr at the facility, and it was the best job I ever had. It included purchasing, model shop, and of course, maint. Any experienced engineer can adapt to field conditions if called upon to serve.
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I have met several engineers with a dozen or more years engineering experience who have never been at a construction site or within an operating facility. You can often tell by their work practices and opinions about how things should be done. If given a choice, I would not hire an engineer with over four-years of home office experience who lacks any site support experience. I would look for recent grads who paid their way through school working in a construction trade.
If field service is craft work or labor then the home office engineer is not the best selection for the field support. I agree that one should not be expected to perform the work tasks where they lack competency. However, you may never understand what is needed from engineering if you never provide support where the work happens. Job site assignments are opportunities. You can learn about the craft splits that may affect the content on your drawings. You may also see how construction people fix the mess left by the engineers.
Exempt may mean exempt from paid overtime. Many engineers are paid straight time for overtime. Often engineers provide site support working very long days and weeks without compensation.
Job site work is normally more dangerous than work in an office. Home office accidents happen when people get a payper cut, trip on the stairs while talking on a cell phone etc. At the job site the risks may include big construction machinery, overhead lifting, fires or explosions, etc. Those who visit any job site require industrial safety training that is adequate for exposure to the site conditions.
Get over the pay issues and look forward to a learning opportunity. Stay safe.
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Back in Belgium, where i'm from, performing tasks that are not in your scope of work, are simply not allowed. For example, if you're an engineer, and you designed a whole piping installation, you can go on field, supervise, do surveys, etc, but you can't perform "dirty" work, like tightening up a bolt, moving a piece of pipe,... You can't even pick up a wrench! It's an insurance thing. Insurances don't cover you for accidents when doing something you're not supposed to. And if a manager insists that you do dirty work, he'll have the unions on his back!
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Like swivel63 said, there is so much to learn out on the field. You may encounter more problems than you hoped for, but those problems spur engineering ideas. It develops teamwork, design skills and, most importantly, the ability to think on your feet. Besides, we need to get out the office every now and then simply for the betterment of our health.
Engineering is not just in front of the computer. It encompasses everything from design and development, scheduling and allocating funds, manufacturing, delivery of product and making sure that product performs as intended.
Kyle Chandler
www.chiefengineering.net
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We can learn quite a bit from someone who does field work as their profession.
Kyle Chandler
www.chiefengineering.net
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Ron
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