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alternate words for "obviate"

alternate words for "obviate"

alternate words for "obviate"

(OP)
Anyone have a suggestion for an alternate word (phrase) to "obviate"?

As in, "once you start cutting holes in, or otherwise modifying, standard ASME B16.5 blind flanges the standard pressure-temperature ratings are obviated"?

Thanks

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

(OP)
Okay, I wrote    "Nozzles are restricted from being attached to ASME B16.5/B16.47 blind flanges because, in general, once the blind flange has been modified the standard pressure-temperature ratings are no longer applicable. However, Table 6 of B16.5 allows a single, small, centrally-located nozzle to be added without obviating the pressure-temperature rating of the blind."

But I'm still interested in an alternate word for obviate.

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Obviate: to anticipate and prevent or eliminate difficulties, disadvantages, etc. by effective measures; to render unnecessary
In your usage, it would seem that you're using the "render unnecessary" definition... sort of... more like "render inapplicable".  Synonyms for obviate (as render unnecesary) would be preclude or make redundant... but that's probably not what you're trying to say.  

Sounds like you're saying that you can add a nozzle without changing the rating of the blind. Possible synonyms:
affecting
changing
impacting
altering
modifying

If you're trying to indicate that a rating becomes inapplicable with some modifications, but not with this one, then perhaps the following would work:
nullifying
voiding
invalidating

 

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

I have issues with the word alternate in this context.

Regarding obviate, how about circumvent

- Steve

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

"voiding" seems to fit the sentence (and maybe the intent)

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

(OP)
ahh, "nullifies". I think that's the word!

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

I like that.  I was grappling for a verb form of redundant.

- Steve

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

affecting ? negating ?

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Once you start cutting holes in, or otherwise modifying, standard ASME B16.5 blind flanges the standard pressure-temperature ratings no longer apply.

Cheers

Greg Locock

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RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Invalidated.  

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

I like invalidating in this case.  Nullifying might work too but invalidating sounds better to my ear.

Why the desire to remove 'obviating'?  Seems like a perfectly good word to me, are you a victim of the clear English campaign or similar?

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Well, it is one of the more obscure words.

It is probably not the best word to use for the target audience.

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

My Thesaurus suggests the following choices under "Hindrance": 728.14

Prevent, Prohibit, Forbid; save, help, keep from; Deter, discourage, divert, keep off, ward off, stave off, fend off, fend, repel, deflect, turn aside; forestall, foreclose; preclude, exclude, debar, OBVIATE, anticipate, remove, dispose of, rule out.  

Take your pick as to what seems appropriate.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

I don't think obviate means what you intended.  As ivymike illustrated, obviate is advantageous, while the holes have the effect of negating, nullifying, or invalidating the ratings.

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Actually hokie66 may have a point.  It doesn't seem quite the right word in this context.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

I too go with invalidated, clear, precise and to the point.

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

"no longer apply"

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

"not necessary".

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

"No longer apply" is good but I cannot go with "not necessary" as it doesn't seem to fit the context.

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

okay - "not needed".

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

No, BigH, "not needed" is the same as "not necessary", and neither means "not applicable" or "invalidated".

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Yeah, as I understand it by being rated to the standard the components in question have certain "guaranteed" (that's not quite the right word, if only there was a language forum to check in smile) performance.

By modifying them, you invalidate that guarantee.

You aren't exactly making that guarantee irrelevant.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

My suggestion would be to replace obviate with Impair.  

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Those who wrote in the Code are not absoulte and unchallenged power in the world of English language, there are always chances that conotations of the words, they use, be different from actually they intend to imply by. The word, I chose as a replacement, is the most suitable to serve the purpose, that might be lurking in the mind of the person who wrote bviate. Therefore it will be appropriate to choose the word, that must be there, instead of inserting any literal meaning of obviate. However OXFORD, the most reliable source of Interpretation of English words, suggests its following meanings...
GET ROUND;CLEAR AWAY...

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Sorry, that this is so late.  Jeopardising (or jeopardizing if you prefer)!
 

RE: alternate words for "obviate"

Connotation of jeopardizing suggests something different from what he/she has taken into account in drafting the code then.  

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