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How to become a high flyer in any organisation?
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How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

(OP)
One will find employees with same qualification starting at same age reaching different levels in an organisation with in a few years.What are the qualities that distinguish a high flier from others? If we can list  up  these, the same  may  help youngsters starting a career.Remember Peter Druckers' "The Effective Executive"

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Convince everyone around you that you are brighter than what you really are. It has a lot to do with managing perceptions.

Solid Edge V20 SP4 on WinXP SP2

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Some or all of: luck, skill, perseverence, initiative, motivation, drive, resources, ass kissing.
JIM  

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

In no particular order, here are a couple.

Communications skills, written and verbal.
Interpersonal skills, relating to others.
Negotiation skills
Political Awareness
Determination
Risk Taking
Time management
Budgeting

Regards,

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I like PSE's list, here are more things to think about:
Everyone has a client, and everyone has a boss.  Work to make your boss and your client look good to their boss and client.
Don't be afraid to be an expert.
Speak up
Be friendly and bright.  No one likes a grumpy co-worker.
Always be willing to learn.
Take on as much responsibility as possible.
Ask your boss how to make their life easier.
Find out who the stakeholders and decision makers in a company are and work toward getting into their circle.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

There was a thread a few months ago about 'being a star engineer' just take a look at that thread.

thread731-216753: "How to be a star engineer"

Sad to say the A$$ kissing that lansford says seems to be a bigger factor in many organization than any of us probably like.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

These short bullet statements are great, though it seems one more needs to be added: Desire.  It may be closely related to determination and initiative, but it is not the same.  I have met many people that are happy to put in their required time, and think only when asked.

"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."

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RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

...and too many organizations where thinking only when asked is the rewarded behavior--and then they wonder why they don't have any high flyers.

Hg

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RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Blackmail and Bribery??  bandito

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Quote (OP):

One will find employees with same qualification starting at same age reaching different levels in an organisation with in a few years.

Such qualifications are superficial and rarely give a true picture of an individual's character and talent.  We are not all created equal.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Correct spelling and grammar helps with upward mobility also.

Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

My experience was that a certain group of people who played baskeball together every Thursday night were the "upwardly mobile" guys.  Couldn't pour yellow liquid from a boot if the instructions were on the bottom, but they were the movers and shakers.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Yeah, playing golf with, going running with, drinking with, joining secret society with... (insert pass time of choice) the right manager seems to help.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I'd add that being the guy that's "always there" helps. Not always there in sitting at your desk for 100 hours a week, but when called on to take something on, stepping up and saying, "I'll give it a shot." We had an engineer quick abruptly and leave a project prior to completion. While one of the more senior engineers took over as the lead, I was able to step in and pull some of the weight with the less technical aspects. I believe it was very much appreciated and when, after weeks of stressing, those of us involved managed to get everything to turn out alright (even if over-budget), I think the efforts of all involved were much appreciated by management.

I guess the short of it is, figure out what your boss/others are struggling with and get in and help. As I see it, that IS the job of the younger engineers, to make senior engineers/engineering managers life a little easier. Chances are before the younger engineer was hired, they managed to get by, although probably with more stress. Therefore, the young engineer's job is to relieve stress when possible and learn from it. Often the projects that cause the most stress have the most "training" value.

-- MechEng2005

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

You can't plan it.  You either have it or you don't.

Heart of gold
Nerves of steel
Knob of butter

Punching above your weight will only give you a bloody nose.

- Steve

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I would start with knowing how to spell organization.  Sorry had to do it smile since I noticed you did it twice so it was not a typing error.

Never, but never question engineer's judgement

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Actually, "organisation" is perfectly correct British spelling.

Hg

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RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Hmm.. I just researched it, I guess organisation is one way to spell it in UK.  Hmm.. Learn something everyday.  Disregard my last post.

Never, but never question engineer's judgement

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Spelling here is what I was hinting at earlier...

Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

There are as many ways to become a high flyer as there are bosses.  To be a high flyer, you need to do what ever it is that impresses your boss.  For some it might be hard work, for some it might be brown nosing, for some it might be innovation, and for others it is something else.  Look at the current high flyers and see if you can figure out how they got there.  Some bosses are so full of themselves that they will never view anyone as being capable of anything.

It may be that you can't get ahead at the job you are in.  I would never be able to be a high flyer for a boss that valued brown nosing.  That's just not in my personality.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

"...I guess organisation is one way to spell it in UK..."

That is the only correct way to spell it in the UK. We just allowances we make for other nations who choose to spell it differently. That said, if I was writing the word in my CV / resume I would spell it the way that the target reader would expect it to see it: there's no point in attracting negative attention.
  

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If we learn from our mistakes I'm getting a great education!
 

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Spelin is for idjuts. If you want to leverage your way to the top in an organisation then don't use words like organisation but use acroymns suxh as BU for Business Unit. Face it an MD (see, easy ain't it) can hardly leverage a pencil never mind argue about how to spell. Oh, and always use the word 'leverage' in every sentence you can.  

 

corus

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Read lots of Dilbert cartoons!!

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."  

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

"An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance"

old field guy

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Depending on which measurement system you are using...bigsmile

Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

As you can tell by the response you are getting.
Get out of Eng-Tips, and the technical side of your job, and start working the business side.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

In my company is it whether you are green or red.  We, on the red side, were bought out by the green guys and no matter how qualified we are, the promotions go to the green guys.  Just recently a guy with 20 years experience was passed over for a good promotion in favor of someone with 4 years experience, but he was the right color.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Marry the CEO's daughter?

Alternate:  Catch the boss in bed with a chicken?

Rod

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

(OP)
Thank you all for throwing in the gems.I am working in  industry  for more than four decades in medium and MNC companies. I was always fascinated  by what makes one a high flier and let me summarise my observations.No doubt luck (god?) plays a role -to be there at right place, at right time.But I feel that is only a small part.The guy with  high flier instincts will somehow push up somewhere else.

These days marrying CEO' daughter also may not help you as a fall in share value may result in loss of shirt for CEO and high flier may end up as a scum.Toadies (let us avoid the word ...kissers)may have  short runs, but will not result in permanent success.

The  character I have seen in high flyer is the desire /will.He is determined,committed for his target.He has the passion for  what ever he does.He enjoys the work that may be a burden for others.

He is ready for that extra mile.As others said it is all perception-but what makes this perception? Let us take a 5 feet six inch man versus 6 feet man.The difference in height is only 10 %.But change in perception is much  more than 10 %. In day to day work also this is quite right.The high flier may be putting in only slightly more.But the perception among others immediately changes.

He is not the most knowledgable or studious.But he knows what he does not know and knows  who knows it and have the skill/humility to get it done through others.Here comes the net working and inter personal skills. No doubt it has to be  some where in your genes, but to some extent you can augment it by reading and deliberately practicing it.

As said by another contributor- he keeps both boss and client happy.How? Understand their  needs and integrate it with your targets.Communication skills-language skill is a must.One best way I have noticed is to get addicted to a good newspaper or weekly .Keep a high grade dictionary side by  and a journal to write in good expressions,words,pharases  from your read -with meaning added-so that after some time these will become your own.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Humor aside, prc, in 42 years of working for someone else, I have never found myself anywhere but on top. I've been fired a few times, but always found a better job (I tend to be rather outspoken to which some forum members can attest). I don't have anything special as to ability or education, indeed, my math skills are sub par. In work, I tended to be very self confident... No matter how odd or difficult, I never turned away from a job.  Tell me it cannot be done and, I'm your man. I've been very successful in anything I wanted to try.  I really don't know why.  
I'm into vintage auto racing these days and  I'm certainly not as smart as my competitors, nor as rich, nor as young...I still run at the front of the pack, even at 68 year old.  

Now, if I don't get a cramp from patting myself on the back...Bottom line---There are some people that just succeed.  Paris Hilton is famous for being famous type success in some cases.  If we could only "bottle it"....

Rod winky smile

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

It can be bottled, just depends who's buying.bigsmile

Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

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Why would you want to be a high flyer ? In my experience this often means more work hours that are good for you and many high flyers burn out quickly.

Life is a balance between work and play (which can include family etc) and most high flyers I've known end up compromising their play way too much; often they end up divorced early as well.

I work to pay for the things I do outside work. Whilst being a high flyer can mean more money, it will mean less time to spend that money and the one thing money can't pay for is more time.

So, work out what your work-play balance should be and then work to that. In the long run you'll be happier than any high flyer.  

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Good post Jordonlaw!

Sometimes I wonder why more ppl don't see things that way.

The high flyers at my firm have no life other than work life.
But my greatest pet peeve is when high flyers think all who aren't in their league are worthless and should come on board!

One last note for PRC, some managers are offended by those who push too much, work too much and who just make it ever so obvious that they're out to rub noses with the big boys. If you're new in this field, work hard but make it known that you have a life outside work. Well rounded individuals are always more valuable to a progressive company.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

(OP)
Jordonlaw &RRR04,
When I say high flier, I dont mean guys who spend 14 hours in front of their desks pretending to be busy, or doing things which they should never do,carrying files to home etc. Infact the real smart high fliers that I have seen never do  any such things.They only do slightly more than the average,never read Harvard Business Review or Economist, but sonme how always push them self in to top.They have some common qualities as our evelrod seems to have.

Working long hours is a cultural malady.In such socities not high fliers, all are expected to put in long hours.When your boss and subordinates are sitting after working hours, how can you run away.I do agree that this is not worth while and a balanced approach should be the target.But to be a high flier -above average -should be the motto of every professional.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Culture: The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization.

Society: An enduring and cooperating social group whose members have developed organized patterns of relationships through interaction with one another.

Just a FYI, some don't understand the differences/similarities. ;)

Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

prc,  I do come of sounding sorta high minded...I certainly don't mean it that way.  I meant it when I said I am nothing special...It's just (knock wood) so far in life, when presented lemons, I have made lemonade...I don't like the term lucky...it makes me feel stupid, as if I had nothing to do with whatever endeavor I was attempting. The farther up the chain of command, the longer the hours and the greater the responsibility.  The job, although I dearly loved what I was doing most of the time, was just a job.  I never considered it a 'career'.  I worked to support my family and my hobbies.  By 58 years old and 36 years of mostly steady work, I had had enough and retired.  Don't miss it a bit.  Even in these forums my posts tend to be rather more anecdotal than technical.  I  am in awe of some of the engineers here and am reluctant to show my ignorance by "...opening my mouth and removing all doubt".

Additionally, from personal experience, I have two sons.  One is extremely talented airbrush artist with several customs making the cover of several car mags.  Now working as a tatoo artist and forever neck deep in s**t. He is hard working but cannot seem to make any correct decisions.
My other son is a 200 IQ Mensa and never actually 'worked' at anything other than getting someone else to do his jobs.     Throw him in a pile of crap and he'd land on a diamond.  Anything he does comes out on top, no matter how stupid it seems to me.  He turned down Harvard, much to my disappointment and joined the Army.  Although that did not come out all that well, even in disability he got 100% and ask any ex soldier how rare that is.

Rod

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

(OP)
evelrod,I do agree with you, but we cannot rule out luck 100 %.There are uncertanities everywhere.But sure luck alone will not take any one anywhere.But I disagree with you on attitude to  job.Whether high flier or not, one should enjoy work,It should not be a job ,but passion.We have never seen a foot ball player or base ball player complaining of hard work,long hours or monotony.Job should be like that.Every Monday morning you should be sizzling to run to your job site or office.If you are not feeling like that, seek for something like.

I too have two sons and similar disappointments.But we cannot expect our children to thread the same line like us.Type of job is immaterial, I think, it the capacity,zeal  to excell,that is important.I had a Japanese friend for long years.( poor soul,no more)He had only high school education,but by sheer hard work and diligence he rose to become star electrical  designer in a reputed transformer company for many years.His only son was not prepared to go to university, but decided to work as a hair dresser in a small town.My friend was upset initially,but later confided to me that he had no regrets as his son was excelling in his job,rather he was becoming a high flier in his trade!

I could not understand what message ctopher is giving me.Does he mean I am usig words without understanding meaning? May be.But I  would have obliged if he pointed out  appropriate word to me.English is not my mother tongue,but  the third language for me and I dont claim any authority on it.( probably on  anything!) But I know that in language, words have different meanings at different areas and in societies.I am a follower  of Queen's English and my favourite Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary (2000) give the following meaning:

Society = people in general,living together in communities( eg today's society)Community of people who share same customs and laws.(modern industrial society)

Cultural = connected with the culture of a particular society or group, its customs or beliefs

Culture= way of life, the customs and beliefs ( working class culture)A country ,group etc with its own belief

Malady= serious problem

 I dont think I was far out in conveying my thoughts.

But in  the part of India where I live now, a society means a cluster of houses and forms part of our address.Does it mean that is the only meaning of that word?

Words apart, what I want to stress was the compulsions of society in moulding certain behavioural patterns.In my younger days I was working with a Japanese company, I lived there and watched in close quarters their cultural norms.During parties, it was a pattern for even middle level executives to boast  that they are seeing their child only on Sundays, because they will start for work too early and reach home very late.I was wondering what they were losing in life.But I found the same people sticking to 8 hour schedule once they were working in  a different country.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

PRC

In my experience high flyers never "only do slightly more than the average". They usually put themselves up or are picked to do the want of their bosses; some of these can be fun, some are not but all take lots of time and you are constantly are the whim of the boss.

But it is getting all pervasive. I don't want to be contacted at home/on holiday by mobile or Blackberry unless (and its a big 'unless') there is no alternative. I work from home and put in the hours to finish the job and make the decision to work holidays (including Christmas once) if necessary. But I want to be in control.

In the past I've seen more than one person break under the pressure of "how many hours do you do ?" sort of philosophy and its not for me. Whilst this can happen to non high flyers, the high flyer does put themselves at more risk - in my opinion.

My philosophy changed a few years ago. I now treat all people from the junior to the CEO the same. They are all human(hmmm, well maybe not ...) and can be treated as such rather than some higher level being. And I can always walk away knowing that I'm in control of my life balance.

This has been a very interesting thread, thanks for starting it.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Hmmm- greatly depends on what you consider to be a "high flyer", doesn't it?

If you mean "rising to increasing positions of leadership", then perhaps demonstrating leadership would help you to get there.  YOu therefore need to seek out opportunities to demonstrate that leadership, and sieze them.

If you mean "increasing in earning potential", then probably the most important single thing to know is, to the dollar, how much money you're making (or saving) your employer.  Knowing what your colleagues or competitors will pay you is also helpful.    You may also learn that it never hurts to ask.  Keeping yourself in a financial position such that you're never a wage-slave and are free to find another job when that becomes necessary is important too.

If you mean "increasing in responsibility", then demonstrating a willingness and ability to accept responsibility and deal with it competently, would help.  That does NOT mean being willing to work 12 hour days every week year after year- that will buy you nothing but bitterness and an early grave.  Or perhaps you're one of those rare people for whom their work is sufficient to be the entirety of their life.  They usually croak a year or less after retirement, so that's a short-sighted solution at best.  Find yourself a family and something to do outside of work that is not structured around impressing your work colleagues, and chances are you'll be healthier (mentally and physically) and much more interesting as a human being.

If you mean all three, then you need to demonstrate all three.  Bosses too have to demonstrate success: if you show ability and the boss isn't the pointy-haired guy in the Dilbert cartoons, you represent less risk of failure in the boss's scope of responsibility, and hence you are more likely to make your boss look good when given the harder tasks.  

None of this is possible if you hate what you do for a living.  You need to be passionate about your work.  Enthusiastic without being saccharine about it.

And you need to be noticed.  You need to communicate, both above and below your station.  Silent suffering may earn you brownie points with your favourite deity, but your boss won't notice.  Any effort and sacrifice and performance you offer to your employer will be accepted, but not necessarily acknowledged, celebrated or rewarded unless it is noticed.  This doesn't mean bragging about or exaggerating every minor success- that's @ss-kissing and an indication that you don't really know what's important.  A little is OK- too much makes you a pariah.

 

 

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

(OP)
moltenmetal, You are right.Before we think on the attributes of a high flyer,we must define a high flyer.Thank you for your thought provoking insights.I think a high flyer shoud have  be a combination of all the three targets mentioned by you.Let me give you a star.

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I would also add that what it takes also depends on where you are in your career path.  For instance the advice to step up and take on tasks to make the lives of other engineers easier seems to me to be better advice for people who are in the earlier stages of their career.  I am not a manager, but as a senior staff member, my manager does ask me for feedback on how less senior engineers are performing.   I do assign tasks that are part of my projects to junior engineers and I really do appreciate it when they come to me and ask if I have anything that needs to be done.  So remember, although you don't technically "work" for engineers like me, we do provide feedback to the boss.

I would also add that hard work misdirected is worth as much as no effort at all.   I have found one of the best was of becoming a "star" is by directly impacting the bottom line.  If you can make or save the company money, that will get you noticed.  It doesn't need to be an elaborate idea either.  For instance at my current job I found a big money saver after being on the job for just a few weeks.   We do most of our machining outside with one vendor.   When I spoke to the vendor I found out that his machine shop is equipped with all of the state of the art machines.  I learned that when we send him drawings he takes our drawings and converts them to 3D models for programming the machines.   We pay for this as part of the setup time for the job.  How stupid is this?  Our drawings are generated from 3D models, and we pay a vendor good money to turn our paper drawings back into 3D models for his CAM software.   We determined that he could use or 3D models directly.  This was a very easy cost savings in terms if both time and money.   Very little effort went into this.

Effective communication can not be over stressed.  Many engineering managers are idiots who barely know your name, let alone what you do.  It took me a good number of years to realize that there are very few good managers out there who really engage their employees and have any handle on what is going on.  If I wait for my boss to come to me, well, I am going to be waiting until performance review time, and I might not like what I am going to hear.   I make an effort to keep my boss informed about what is going on.  This is especially important of you do something good that is outside of your assigned tasks.   This also gives the boss a feeling that he is important.  Sometimes I go and ask him questions I already have answers to, or seek his advice (even though I know what to do and have no intention of listening to his advice anyway) just to  keep him engaged and make him feel important.

Communication is important across all levels-peers and subordinates as well as your management.  People who are well liked will generally do better than those who are disliked even if they are just as smart and work twice as hard.  Like it or not, life is a popularity contest to some extent.
 

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

spongebob007:  "hard work misdirected is worth as much as no effort at all" - thanks, that's a new favorite of mine!

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

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I would also add that hard work misdirected is worth as much as no effort at all.   I have found one of the best was of becoming a "star" is by directly impacting the bottom line.  If you can make or save the company money, that will get you noticed.

In '97 my crew netted the company some $250,000 for the year.  I even got a really nice bonus come Christmas time.
A few 'up and comers' took offense at that and since upper echelon management is not static, one managed a very high job appointment...high enough to see to it that I was out of a job by April '98 !!!  No problem, after 38 years, I just retired.  "I don't need no stinkin' job", comes to mind.  Best decision I ever made.

Rod

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I wish I knew. I hate to be cynical but in every job I've been in I have thought I knew the best approach but I've fallen into the same trap which might be best left for another post.

1) The idea of working harder to help out the more senior people has always been my approach. While it seems to be appreciated at first, it becomes something that people take advantage of. Finally and in all of my jobs, I start to take on more and more until I reach a sort of breaking point. The breaking point normally means I get stressed, I make some errors that are criticized and i get pissed. I feel little respect and start to look for a new job. I realize the problem is very much my own and I should have a more proactive viewpoint but unfortunately I haven't solved this particular situation and it is even present in my current job.

On top of that I have always admired this particular boss for his work ethic. But working extra hard won't always impress such a boss since they work extremely hard to. What impresses him is this sort of natural brillance one of my other less diligent co-workers has.

I think this has something to do with the fact that for some people, we are sometimes only impressed by attributes we don't already hold.


2) Taking on the high profile jobs is a smart idea. However this can't always be done as effectively if you are already employing strategy 1. If you do, do it, you'll find yourself working an extradorinate amount of extra hours and getting bitter.

3) Smoozing the boss is always good. Backstabbing a co-worker or two never hurts. Following the moods of your boss and agreeing can only help.
 

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

I'm assuming #3 above is meant as humor, but there's enough truth to it that I feel like I should address it.

Sadly, schmoozing and being a yes-man can work with some kinds of bosses.  Not the kind of boss one ideally wants, but the kind of boss that does exist.

Backstabbing the co-workers, though, can backfire.  I've run into people who think they can make themselves look better by putting others down, but I don't think even other backstabbers buy into that when they see it in someone else.  The worst offender I know eventually failed to get a promotion that he'd kind of been on track for, and I suspect that complaints about his backstabbing behavior had a contributing effect.  More passive forms of backstabbing like claiming credit or failing to credit will, sadly again, work in many environments.

Hg

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The problem with the 'backstabbing' type approach is that to do it well you have to be really sneaky etc., you don't want anyone to know you're the backstabber, or at least maintain plausible deniability.  Many Engineers aren't good at this.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Hmm im 6'1 225lbs, sneaky just doesn't seem destined to fit :)

Luck is a difficult thing to verify and therefore should be tested often. - Me

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

its what you know
knowing that you will get the job done quicker
find tools to get the job done better
don't be arrogant, I hate arrogance, might still like the arrogant person, but arrogance turns me off completely.
don't reinvent the wheel, we know your smart
 

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

evelrod:

re: bonus envy
I would just once like to hear a company owner say to such a whiner, "F#¢^ you, it's my money and I'll do what I please."

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Well, Tick, that was ten years ago, but  I got some degree of satisfaction from the experience....retirement is much better than I ever expected...I picked up an 'under the table' job with an air compressor service company for four years...the VP that saw to my exit got fired two months later. smile  AND, to this date, no other supervisor/forman has gotten any where near my bonus....double smiley...smile smile

Don't ya just love it when a plan comes together?

Rod

RE: How to become a high flyer in any organisation?

Depends what you mean by high flyer.

If you want more respect. Quit and come back as a consultant. You get the money in your hand and the chance to work for other companies. The level of respect paid to you will beyond your highest measure. Just look around you at any 'experts" who are brought into to consult.

You are always at the cutting edge because of the spread of ideas.

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