Charpy testing required ?
Charpy testing required ?
(OP)
Is impacting testing required for a repair organizations WPS/PQR regarding the following application ?¿»
ASME Sec.8 Div.1 vessel
Nameplate -75º top section of vessel
-55º mid secton of vessel
Material SA516-70 with monel clad ( not sure if normalized)
Wall thickness = .500" + 10% clad
Use Sec.8 USC 66 curve "B" ? (use of the curve indicates a required impact test for the welding procedures)
alternative ratios ?
Any procedural information will be appreciated.
ASME Sec.8 Div.1 vessel
Nameplate -75º top section of vessel
-55º mid secton of vessel
Material SA516-70 with monel clad ( not sure if normalized)
Wall thickness = .500" + 10% clad
Use Sec.8 USC 66 curve "B" ? (use of the curve indicates a required impact test for the welding procedures)
alternative ratios ?
Any procedural information will be appreciated.





RE: Charpy testing required ?
You may be able to escape impacts or reduce the impact test temperature depending on the ratio of stresses in the vessel. This can be expressed as a thickness or a stress.
If you don't know the stress in the vessel then I suggest you have the welding procedures impact tested at the MDMT.
I developed a little calculator for impacts to UCS 66, which guides you through the stress reduction bit.
Regards
John
www.gowelding.com
RE: Charpy testing required ?
1.Data known
(1) Material ; SA516-70
(2) Normalized or Not ; expected of normalized condition
(3) PWHT or Not ; unknown
(4) Temperature on Nameplate: -75F (top)/ -55F (mid.) ; expected of design condition
(5) Wall thickness (tn) : 0.5 “ for SA516-70/ 0.05: Monel clad
(6) Calculated Minimum Thickness (tr): Unknown
(7) Joint Efficiency (E) : Unknown
(8) Maximum Design Temperature: Unknown
(9) Impact test done or Not : Unknown ; expected of exempted from the test for mid. section/ questionable whether impact tested or not for top section ( ; to be confirmed by the exemption condition)
(10) Built date ; Unknown
2.Use of the Fig. UCS-66 Curve B (non-normalized) & D (normalized), ASME Sec.VIII Div.1, 2001 Edition – Basic Consideration Guide
(1) According to Fig. UCS-66 Curve D, the minimum exemption temperatue is –55F.
; exempted from the impact test for mid. section/ required the impact test for top section (To be checked from para.3)
(2) The impact test requirements for the WPS/PQR depend on the requirements of the base metal unless otherwise required in user’s specifications. Based on the expected condition, the impact test for the top section is required according to Fig. UCS-66 Curve B because the impact test is essential variable in Sec. IX.
3.Use of the Fig. UCS-66.1, ASME Sec.VIII Div.1, 2001 Edition ; Alternative Ratio (AR)
(1) AR = trE/tn = Unknown = cannot be calculated
(2) Reduction temperature without impact testing = cannot be calculated
4.Use of UCS-68(c), ASME Sec.VIII Div.1, 2001 Edition ; PWHT effect
If it was done the PWHT that is not required this code, the minimum exemption temperatue of the top section can be –85F because the reduction temperature without impact testing is permissible to 30F. Therefore, in thic case, the impact test of the top section is not required. But it will be repair welded, it should be PWHT after welding.
5.Use of Table UG-84.4, ASME Sec.VIII Div.1, 2001 Edition ; Effect of minimum specifiec yield strength
When the minimum specifiec yield strength (MSYS) <=40 ksi, the impact test temperature may be warmer the the minimum design temperatue (-75F) by 10F.
MSYS of A516-70 = 38ksi
If it was not done the PWHT, the impact test may be tested at -65F. But, in this case, the top section cannot be exempt from the impact test.
6.Conclusion
Based on the expected condition in para.1, Para. 3 & 4 should be confirmed for the exemption of impact test.
Hope it helps.
Thomas Eun
NATCO CANADA
thomase@natco.ab.ca
thomaseun@hanmail.net
www.natco.ab.ca