Print check history management
Print check history management
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As a result of the wonderful forced transition to ISO, we're trying to find information on methods used to track print checks. When we make new prints or revise prints, we run through a fairly simple cross check. Each engineer/draftsman (we all do both here) passes their prints off to another in the department, who makes appropriate changes, additions, and suggestions, and then passes it back to the originator. This repeats as necessary until the print is complete and acceptable in style and standard. We have, up to this point maintained these copies for a very short period, if at all, beyond the issue of the print which has been checked (our engineering dept has only existed for ~5 years).
Rambling, sorry.
I need suggestions or sources of ways to maintain these checked prints. We prefer something besides hard-copies.
There are ideas being passed around, but we thought it might be helpful to get ideas how other departments handle this issue.
Thanks,
Byron
Rambling, sorry.
I need suggestions or sources of ways to maintain these checked prints. We prefer something besides hard-copies.
There are ideas being passed around, but we thought it might be helpful to get ideas how other departments handle this issue.
Thanks,
Byron
Byron Morgan - Tupelo, Mississippi
1947 Mayline
SolidWorks 2008
NX4





RE: Print check history management
One obvious idea is to scan the redlines and perhaps store them with the CAD data, in a history folder or something. If using PLM/PDM might be slightly different but in principle would make sense.
I also keep a log of all checking where I track how many times the print went back & forth, what date etc. Comes in usefull when people try dodging checking or blame me for holding them up when it turns out redlines are with them.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
RE: Print check history management
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)
RE: Print check history management
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RE: Print check history management
Byron Morgan - Tupelo, Mississippi
1947 Mayline
SolidWorks 2008
NX4
RE: Print check history management
Example: 845200revCver3
Means drawing 845200, revision C. The version indicates the number of times that it has been "redlined" (3 times) to get approved to go to RevD.
Some PLM/PDM systems use "version", so you might have to find another suffix.
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RE: Print check history management
Matt Lorono
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
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RE: Print check history management
We did not keep check prints once the drawing was released. We had a shelfull of company procedures etc but that wasn't one of them.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
RE: Print check history management
EX-001-00 (base release)
EX-001-00 A (Revision)
EX-001-00 B.1 (first check of new rev B on it's way to release) And stored in a different subordinate location to where the released revisions are.
We're trying to go 100% ditigal, scanning the bloody papers for storage (that's redlines....if you saw some of the stuff that gets passed for checks.......you'd understand)
Matt....I don't quite follow yours.
Thanks
Byron Morgan - Tupelo, Mississippi
1947 Mayline
SolidWorks 2008
NX4
RE: Print check history management
RE: Print check history management
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
RE: Print check history management
"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."
Have you read FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies to make the best use of these Forums?
RE: Print check history management
We don't currently have a policy of retaining check prints, but we're wanting to develop one. Just not sure where to start.
Thanks.
Byron Morgan - Tupelo, Mississippi
1947 Mayline
SolidWorks 2008
NX4
RE: Print check history management
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
RE: Print check history management
ECO- Engineering Change Order
ENC- Engineering Change Notice
EO- Engineering Order
DCN- Document Change Notice
EDC- Engineering Document Change
I have see all the above in the past, all basically the same thing, control of documents and configurations.
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RE: Print check history management
Matt Lorono
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
and Mechnical.Engineering Yahoo! Group
RE: Print check history management
They have one form proposing a change, which in some cases allows production to manufacture to the change prior to incorporation into the documents(I've seen it called an ECR). They then actually incorporate the change and list what was changed in another form (I've seen ECO & ECN. One thing to note is that a single one of the latter may incorporate several of the former.
We had completely different names and systems in the UK where I worked.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
RE: Print check history management
Byron Morgan - Tupelo, Mississippi
1947 Mayline
SolidWorks 2008
NX4
RE: Print check history management
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)
RE: Print check history management
The reason I asked is because I've usually seen the terms ECN, ECO and EO used interchangably, depending on the company. I have yet to work somewhere that has used more than one of those terms, though I have seen ECRs or ERs used with all.
It boils down to, as Chris points out, what your configuration management states are the terms that will be used.
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
RE: Print check history management
I do keep mark-ups (for reference) but have not been required to do so because of any standard enforcement, until recently (company standard). They used to go into a folder in the file cabinet next to my desk, but due to a tightening down on data control, are now scanned (or electronically marked-up), and electronically filed as XXXX-A-markup1.
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
RE: Print check history management
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 3.1
AutoCAD 06/08
ctopher's home (updated Jul 13, 2008)