Goulds Pump data
Goulds Pump data
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Just finished looking for some Goulds pump data, the 3196 being discussed in another thread.
Went to the Goulds website and was told to download some pump selection active x program. OK.
Had to register. OK, filled in all that stuff. At least a 10 character user name. Finally.
Had to login. OK logged in.
I downloaded the PSS component and started it up. Couldn't find any pump curves. It asked for all the data needed to make a pump selection. I filled in a bunch, should be enough to get the curve... I thought. Still no curve apparent anywhere, nor any method to simply find a curve for an already existing pump that doesn't need to be selected. I found the whole "selection" process so inconvenient that I wrote to the support group and told them that I would not specify a single Goulds pump until they improved the access to pump curve data.
Still don't have the curve data.
What were they thinking?
Went to the Goulds website and was told to download some pump selection active x program. OK.
Had to register. OK, filled in all that stuff. At least a 10 character user name. Finally.
Had to login. OK logged in.
I downloaded the PSS component and started it up. Couldn't find any pump curves. It asked for all the data needed to make a pump selection. I filled in a bunch, should be enough to get the curve... I thought. Still no curve apparent anywhere, nor any method to simply find a curve for an already existing pump that doesn't need to be selected. I found the whole "selection" process so inconvenient that I wrote to the support group and told them that I would not specify a single Goulds pump until they improved the access to pump curve data.
Still don't have the curve data.
What were they thinking?
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com





RE: Goulds Pump data
Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
Agree with your comments re Goulds - cumbersome and if you just want a standard curve for an existing pump or the family to check an installation or selection it is useless.
Unless we are missing something in using their site.
RE: Goulds Pump data
it then gives you the option to save the file as a PDF. the attached is a quick sample i just entered bogus data to see how it worked.
Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
I'm still not specing Goulds until they make that software smarter than me.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
distributors have an internal link to Goulds and they use it every day, so make them earn their keep and provide you the curves.
Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
I really like having the data I need easily available on the internet. No fuss, no muss, no waste of anyone's time. Solve the problem and get on to the next one.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
We've found some vendors with great on-line resources- and others that seem to have forgotten about fully 1/2 of their product lines if you were to look at their websites only.
So we keep the paper, for now...
RE: Goulds Pump data
I guess I just have a problem being forced to use selection software in order to get access to a curve for a pump that was selected years ago.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
Mark Hutton
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
unfortunately Goulds is not such a good example of user friendly.
Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
eyec,
Agreed. Just don't seem to be many of them.
They asked me for a link to a site I did like.
I sent them this, saying all I wanted to do was to be able to find these kind of docs via Homepage-Pumps-ModelNo.
http://www.goulds.com/pdf/36-3756S.pdf
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
A similar example came up recently in another thread where someone was agonizing over the exact calculation of friction factors for liquid flow in plastic pipe. Now, I know BigInch is an even bigger fan of the Churchill equation than I am, but if you use the paper solution and plot your pipe data on the Moody chart you do get a better "feel" for the validity and accuracy of the answer than if you simply accept a single number spat out by a spreadsheet.
Katmar Software
Engineering & Risk Analysis Software
http://katmarsoftware.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
Goulds Industrial Biopharm Group (IBG), which includes the 3196, has a catalog out there with all of their curves for all of their models. It's called the GPM manual. I would ask their distributor for a copy. They give them away to good customers.
Their public PSS (Pump Selection Software) is lousy. I use it everyday. My company has access to their internal "Eprism" selection, configuration and pricing software, which works very well. I think the public PSS is limited, and therefore lousy, for legal/liability reasons maybe.
RE: Goulds Pump data
This has had a massive effect on the Industry, finding good quality Sales Engineers who understand properly pumps AND systems is becoming more and more difficult the only ones to suffer in the long term will be the end-users as we are not there to simply sell equipment, but to also be able to support and help solve problems - that is why we have the title Engineer in our name.
Right, said my piece, i will get off my soap box and reduce my blood pressure accordingly...
Ash Fenn
www.cdrpumps.co.uk
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
1. You need a to be able to access a particular curve ie the 3196 you mentioned earlier, I also looked at the same time for the same reason and gave up.
2. If selecting pumps by computor is your thing, then you need to be able to access a selection programme without a lot of hassle.
Some mentioned about the legality of using equipment selected by a manufacturers website, this can be easily catered for - ie, all care no resposibility without referal to the manufacturer or agent.
RE: Goulds Pump data
Legality is not a big issue to me, as I only do certified design work using certified curves anyway and everything else is marked "preliminary" "- bid information only" or "- not approved for construction".
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
rmw
RE: Goulds Pump data
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
PSS is clearly targeting the advanced user who is familiar with the product line and is willing to spend the extra time to learn, the hard way, the functionality that is available in order to search and display the pump performance curves in different views. Once you learn it, I think, it exposes functionality that is not available in other pump selection software
As JRLAKE mentioned PSS seems to be the pump selection module of an integrated application (Eprism) that handles a front to end process. This explains why the pump selection process is a not a series of choices is html format
From the data architecture point of view it is the right decision to have a single data source because the minute you start publishing pump performance data, in this case, in any other form it becomes outdated
I think Goulds could make some simple enhancements to their PSS applications to help the new user find his way around (both from the product and the functionality point of view) because as it stands now it targets only the advanced audience
RE: Goulds Pump data
www.nov.com have a very good selection of pump curves for their Mission and Halco pumps.
Offshore Engineering&Design
RE: Goulds Pump data
I looked about and poked around for awhile there and it took me too long to find the pumps. And actually I haven't seen a curve yet. I think it could be better. Thanks for the suggestion though.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Goulds Pump data
Maybe this should work.
Offshore Engineering&Design
RE: Goulds Pump data
Maybe I can help you something,I have access to the Goulds Pumps internal Eprsim system.
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
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RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
When I downed the program, I couldn't get the curve fast enough, but now they've made that easier (as a result of my complaint to them) and things are looking up, but I still just want to type www.goulds/3610x4x10 and magically have it pop into view. Know what I mean?
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
RE: Goulds Pump data
RE: Goulds Pump data
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- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
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