Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
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Owner/Architect: "Can you get the design done and the building built in 3 weeks?
Engineer: "Uh, maybe"
Owner/Architect: "OK, great, let's get started."
Reality is like the handrail to the groin of a skateboarder. No matter what the project has behind it, emotion, politics, or public momentum, reality always sinks in. See this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374202,00.html
Engineer: "Uh, maybe"
Owner/Architect: "OK, great, let's get started."
Reality is like the handrail to the groin of a skateboarder. No matter what the project has behind it, emotion, politics, or public momentum, reality always sinks in. See this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374202,00.html






RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
JAE, I noticed you have a theme going with Tall Buildings.
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
What are the 5 stages of project development?
Wild Enthusiasm
Disallusionment
Panic
Search for the Guilty
Promotion of the Non-participants
(not too far from reality)
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
Yes, well...tall buildings are perhaps the structural engineering equivalent to landing a man on the moon...great endeavors are always fascinating, don't you think?
jike,
Keep it going -
...promotion of the non-participants
consultation with attorneys
suits filed in "x" court
depositions
expert witnesses
counter expert witnesses
mediation attempt
mediation fails
delay the trial
further expert witnesses
....on and on and on....
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
I guess they didn't look into how Calatrava's last U.S. project, the Sundial Bridge in Redding, CA, did in terms of budget and schedule. Why people accept architects' dollar figures for construction costs is beyond me. You want construction costs, you ask a contractor, not an architect.
Hg
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RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
I did a fast track project last weekend. I designed and built a dog house - no, it wasn't for me. Now, if there had been an Architect involved...
Everything is relative.
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
woh.
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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Don Phillips
http://worthingtonengineering.com
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Contractors aren't psychic, either.
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That's what contractors DO. That's all they do. They price sub contractors and get bids.
They are by far the best qualified to give you a reasonable estimate.
And to all of you who plan to deluge me with stories of how contractors are crooks and how they are incompetent, I don't necessarily disagree that many are so.
However, who has the best idea of what it costs to get things done?
The architect? Nah.
We, as engineers? Perhaps I'm not doing my job, but I haven't the faintest idea of what something costs in absolute terms. I'm getting better every day at knowing which option is cheaper between two, but to know how much something costs outright? Nope.
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
But they like to have drawings to work off.
Initial cost estimates requires a degree of psychic ability/guess work.
Collaboration between architect, engineer, contractor and quantity surveyor should give the best result, with pressure exerted on the architect if they're going over the top.
RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
Good point.
No matter how experienced the contractor, an estimate means absolutely nothing if the drawings are lacking information.
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You can have a Quality Design, Fast Design and or a Design to Budget, pick any two....
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RE: Broken Teeth when hitting the wall of reality
Yee haw. You don't need graft or any other form of corruption for this project to get completely out of hand.
Hg
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