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RE: SE New technology
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Can't say that I'm enthusiastic about the "Now anyone can edit a model" bit - I've seen too many cock-ups because the wrong people edited the wrong thing !!
bc.
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While there is still a lot of detail to come out, this technology really looks like it will become a big differentiator between SE, SW and IV. Personally, I am very excited and can't wait to get an opportunity to have a go.
At the start of the year i was seriously considering taking advantage of a discount SpaceClaim were offering - the demos looked good and there were some very clever features. It will be interesting to see if SE can achieve the same level of ease of use and clever workflow.
If the execution is good in V21 then SE will, in my opinion, have something to shout about.
Now all Siemens have to do to ensure success is to employ the Solidworks marketing dept.!
Tony
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And budget!
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Placing dimensions on the solid geometry instead of the sketch was being done in CoCreates Solid Designer (now One Space) at least 16 years ago. It could also work on any imported file as if it were native.
SW2008 introduced Instant 3D allowing pushing/pulling of sketch areas to create a solid, and dragging solid faces.
Not trying to knock SE. What they've done will definitely give SE an edge over their competition ... but their claims are questionable. Which is typical for all the major 3D CAD players.
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1) SE has had direct editing/modeling long before synchronous technology. The same direct editing as Solidworks, but before Solidworks had it. This is different.
2) SE has had dimensions on solid geometry, called PMI in their terms, for a long time. Not quite as long as CoCreate, but then again I think they are not an apples to oranges comparison.
Synchronous Technology is not like SpaceClaim, CoCreate, or KeyCreator. It is another layer between the geometry kernel (D-Cubed and Parasolid for sketching and modeling, respectively) and SE. This extra layer erases the history dependence of making a change to a parametric model. For that reason, they are calling it new. Granted, the interface to Synchronous Technology resembles prior art of other CAD packages, I'll attest to that. But we really need to wait and see (in other words, use it) before we can make a judgement on its authentic "newness."
--Scott
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From what I read, it is my understanding that they will now push in this direction with Solid Edge, although they will continue to support the history-based approach for some time. But D. Staples has said that Synchronous Technology was the future.
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The demonstrations are at the bottom of the page.
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--Scott
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One thing springs to mind: these new model editing features are based on the PMI dimensions. Problem is, PMI was disabled on Solid Edge Model & Drafting and SE Foundation. Should we surmise that we'll have to upgrade to Solid Edge Classic to use synchronous technology?
Scott, what exactly is the widget you're talking about? The text window to edit dims (à la SW), or the thingy used to edit faces? Because it looks a lot like that rotate tool that's been in SE for years.
- Norm
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I don't think this will happen though, PMI will probably be turned into a core component and be usable for anyone independent of the kind of license you've got.
/Pontus
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--Scott
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So, no one screaming yet about the interface change?
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- Norm
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Apparently we also have a side effect of the synchronous technology:
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17% is not too shabby.
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But that's what I like about the SE community. The Works community was up in arms about the UI change in 2008 even before they had a chance to use it. Then, after it came out and they used it for a couple weeks, they liked it. What's the point of making all that drama if you're just going to stick with the program anyway? Not very professional, if you ask me.
--Scott
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KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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We also have the one old timer (forgive my reference) that has been meaning to retire for the past 2 years, but hasn't yet. He's one of those that moans every time we roll to a new version of Edge, even without any major user changes. I think this one will get him to retire.
--Scott
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I'm torn, I'm excited (well as excited as I get by a CAD program, which isn't very) by the buzz enough to want to learn more but am so concerned at the impact it will have here that I dont' want to hear it mentioned. I'm gonna go bury my head in the sand!
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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It's usually garbage - they are'nt any better than SE, it's just that they don't know what they're doing.
bc.
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Somedays, when I talk with CAD users, I feel like I'm talking to 3rd graders. IT'S A FRICKIN' TOOL PEOPLE, NOT A SPOUSE! If it does the job, use it; if it doesn't, can it. Some people's affinity towards certain software packages just confuses me. I knew a guy once who went unemployed for 6 months because he wouldn't take a job at an employer that didn't use Works. I wanted to schmack him upside the head so far my head hurt.
And what gets me is that so many other CAD package users are stating that their CAD already does that. Uhm, we SE users don't even know what the heck Synch Tech really is yet, how the heck do you know that yours already does that? Well, I know what functionality they're referring to and I try to explain the difference. But then the idiot brings me down to their level and beats me with experience.
--Scott
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They all have their own idiosyncrasies, but hey! Don't we all.
People who prefer other packages are similar to people who laugh at a comedian because their friends laugh. It's all down to propaganda and marketing, he said! She said! Bull!
The right tool for the right job is the future :)
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bc.
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--Scott
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Some vendors were using v4, others were using v5. Since the versions have completely different means of defining solid geometry, it required a translation to go between the two and the translation got FUBARred.
--Scott
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RE: SE New technology
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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I was on a ST seminar today and were told that PMI will indeed be made available in Foundation licenses so thats a relief.
A thing that I was not that happy about is that in Synchronous Technology there will be no way of making assembly features, so no more machining in an assembly mode and back to using phantom parts again, sigh.
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--Scott
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But as you say, this will probably be implemented in the future.
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Thanks,
Martin
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--Scott
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A star for your post.
Nice to hear from someone who has actually seen it working.
I can see the new funcionality being of great benefit, especially to new users.
However, I am still concerned about what happens to the profile of a feature after it has undergone later manipulation with ST.
bc.
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What I would like to know is, if a feature is fully positioned by it's profile sketch, what happens to that sketch when the feature's shape/position is changed using the new technology. If it does not change then I think that is very dangerous because it no longer accurately represents the feature.
If it gets updated or disappears then OK.
One of the example videos shows a set of bosses in a molded part being stretched very quickly using ST, as opposed to modifying the sketch and rebuilding the model, but it doesn't show what's happened to the sketch.
To me it's not a question of a usable profile, but an accurate profile.
Hope this makes sense.
bc.
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If I understand it correctly, in ST there is no longer a profile to edit, and if the feature was created from a sketch, the link to the sketch has been removed.
This was not really apparent on the videos I had seen.
Having tried SpaceClaim and CoCreate PE, which are both direct modelers, in my opinion it was hard work trying to figure out actual sizes and hence how far to move/rotate faces.I was always having to measure distances.
I thought SpaceClaim was the better system and was really clever, but still not quite there.
Now with ST I can put driving dimensions on and get the best of both worlds.
I just hope I get chance to use it !
bc.
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During the demonstrations they were specifying the benefits of inserting the driving dimensions at any given time. Instead of, by example, defining the lenght of a part before knowing what it needs to be.
Patrick.
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Thought it would be a good idea to bring back this thread...
For all of you who have a maintenance key, it's available for download of the GTAC site.
Cheers,
Martin
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I don't think they will send me because I am a contractor
bc.
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It will be interesting to get the views of a new user, although you are not exactly starting from scratch. You will have to do a bit of "unlearning" your previous cad system.
bc.
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