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(OP)
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I'm curious to know what your company's travel policy is regarding flights in business class.

Ours is anything over 8 hours, except to Europe, is approved for business class.  Company is located in the USA.

I've talked with others in the chemical industry who've said industry standard is 6 hours, and others who've said, "Travel Policy?..."

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RE: Business Travel

My company is 10 hours only after approval by a VP and only for the leg that exceeds 10 hours.  Of course our VP always turns down the request.  

Previous companies was always overseas = business class.

RE: Business Travel

UK to Asia = business class.  UK to USA = premium economy.  UK to EU = cattle class.  I'm just glad I have short legs.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

International air travel is via economy up to 4 hours flying time and business class for longer trips.  Business class is also available for trips up to 4 hours but approval is required by senior management.  The company I work for is in the UK by the way.

Ronnie

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RE: Business Travel

Anything over 6 hours is business class, no questions asked.

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Travel policy?

V


RE: Business Travel

I work for the government.  Coach all the way, though I refuse to get up at ridiculous hours or take more than two legs domestically or three internationally just to save a couple of bucks.

Hg

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RE: Business Travel

I don't know about hours or over seas, but within the USA it is all cattle class for me.

Chris
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RE: Business Travel

At my place in the UK it was mostly cattle.

If they could find a virgin flight they'd upgrade you to premium economy when flying across the pond.

Here in the US I've only taken a domestic flight, it was cattle but there wasn't 1st class on either plane so it doesn't make much difference.

I was fortunate enough to get upgraded to business once on BA from Gatwick to Atlanta, very nice.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Business Travel

My last company were ecstatic when they discovered the economic marvels of Easy Jet and Ryan air.
The management never ever travel by such airlines and it was only the extraordinary cost of renting cars and extra overnight stays that quickly cured them of this adventure.

I did the pioneering trip from London to Kiel. The usual route via normal airlines to get to Kiel is from London Heathrow or Gatwick to Hamburg, nice airport.

Ryan Air advertised Hamburg from London at silly prices but in fact London is actually Stansted and Hamburg appeared to be an old Luftwaffe airfield in farmland over the border into old East Germany reached from the autobahns by a farm track and several miles of country road little better.
The runway there was quite short so the pilot had to do VSTOL impersonations much to the alarm of the unwary passengers (it normally takes a quite a lot to excite British and German air travellers).

It was over 100 km from Hamburg and then we had to get to Kiel. The extra travel time each end meant additional overnight accommodation plus car hire (no one prepared to drive out a collect).

On this trip to Hamburg they confiscated my colleagues tools so that added to the bill quite significantly.

Technically, I guess there may be a way to travel in better accommodation but I think djv has the universal answer there.

The most vexing thing for management is the curiosity of airline fare structures; tickets are usually sufficiently less for a weekend stopover to more than cover the cost of extra hotel nights and entertainment. How they hate you having some fun and relaxation and how they hate not being able to stop you without it costing them money!

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Cheapest.

RE: Business Travel

I just did one of those Sleazy Jet cost-saving flights to get home from Italy.  The fact that it landed at Gatwick far outweighed the lack of in-flight peanuts.

On the other hand, I flew back from Germany last week using BA (v. expensive) and spent more than 2 hours on the road.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

I once went to Las Vegas to work a convention, and I had to return on a 1AM flight back to Chicago. The plane was filled with hispanics, but the announcements were all in English. This could be a safety issue unless they don't care.

Needless to say, the company at the time had a cheapest fare policy.

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LOL, I always request an upgrade to a Non Hispanic Filled flight.  Thanks for the laugh

RE: Business Travel

vaya con gringos

RE: Business Travel

plasgears, why would this be a safety issue? I bet they speak better english than you do spanish.

RE: Business Travel

My company is cattle all the way.  Because of my frequent flier miles (I wrack up lots of miles each year) I get upgraded.  Recently I was traveling with my manager and the Director of the division and of course all of us were in cattle.  I got automatically upgraded by the computer.  Did I pass it to the Director or the Manager, HECK NO.  I sat up there in FC and had a whale of a time while they sat back with the cattle.  My location manager was aghast that I didn't offer it to the director.  Nice career move he said.  I said what the heck.

But company policy is cattle all the way.  They are suxh tight a$$holes that they don't even let the Service Technicians fly first class when it can be billed to the customer and they can make the 15% administrative mark-up on the difference in cattle fare and FC.  Go figure.  Some times the pointy part gets really tight.

rmw

RE: Business Travel

When I co-owned a business that required a lot of travel, our policy was economy tickets for all flights, for all employees including owners, regardless of length of flight.

Most employees racked up 80,000 to 100,000 miles/years, so after a year or so in the chicken compartment, upgrades to business or first class were pretty easy.  Everyone kept their frequent flyer miles for personal use.  They could use it for free tickets for the family vacation, membership to the club room at the airport, or for upgrade coupons for business travel, your choice.

I had a couple of whiners who complained that they wanted the company to buy first class tickets for anything over 3 hours.  They also reasoned that the cost could be billed to the Client.  However our fees were bid against other competitors, so we did not estimate first class airfare in the fee.  We would never get the job.

The employees who didn’t complain went on the out of town trips and the whiners got the local stuff (Chicago market).  When the non-complainers got back from their trips to Maui, Sarasota, La Jolla, Seattle, New York, Boston, Cape Hatteras, etc, it straightened out those two Princesses who wanted company-sponsored first class travel.

I traveled several times where an employee decided to upgrade and I saved my miles and sat in coach.  I would never expect an employee to pass me their free upgrade.  I knew they put in a lot of time in the back of the bus to earn it.

"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"

RE: Business Travel

I didn't even know you *could* pass your upgrade on to someone else.

Here they had trouble for a while with the concept of frequent flyer miles (god forbid a government employee inadvertently get some kind of benefit in the line of work) and tried to figure out a way for all the frequent flyer miles to belong to the employer, but they couldn't work it out, so they let us have the miles.  I suppose they could have ordered us to take our FF number off any work-related reservation to avoid any unseemly "profit", but I guess they realized that there would probably be nasty PR fallout from as well, since it would be so blatantly mean-spirited.

Hg

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RE: Business Travel

There are rumblings here about FF benefits being shared around all employees rather than going to those who get the joys of taxis at 4am followed by hours standing in airports and on planes.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

Yes, our Guys in the US spent a lot of hours flying. When hosting visitors they would often forgo their automatic upgrades to sit in coach with their guest. Where several of them were travelling one or other would unfailingly swap his upgrade seat with the guest and go sit in coach.

Mostly, I see frequent flyer programs as a guarantee of being boarded when they overbook, and that is often the only occasion I'll get upgrades. I hadn't actually noticed much difference on US internal flights, but on some long haul international flights it is a real treat to get a seat that turns into a bed and real food on china plates with metal cutlery and where you can eat without having to worry where your, or your neighbour's elbows are. Plus, even silver class flyer gets access to some really plush lounges in airports.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Note from the Canadian Sub-Arctic and Arctic- Up here for local flights we just ask that the plane have two working engines, preferably both in working order. Cabin service may consist of a thermos of coffee (if the someone remembered to make one up before the trip)... I also fly to major Canadian cities on "regular airlines", and as a mid-level gov't employee it is coach all the way..

RE: Business Travel

Cattle all the way at my place but you get to keep all long haul air miles. I have 250k of emirates points now for personal use smile

On European short-haul (most of mine now)we are on Ryanair and Cheesyjet as much as possible but we have a deal with hertz that makes the hire cars cheap enough to make it the most cost effective solution. On the other hand I'm not convinced they check all the time.

The General Manager of course flew on a six times more expensive and 100 times more convenient flight on our last trip though...

Ben

RE: Business Travel

In this day and age I am surprised how many companies pay for business class regardless of how far.  Especially for engineers (which I believe get the short end of the stick most days).

My previous company was coach all the way.  My current company (in michigan) is coach for all domestic (including South America) and Europe.  But it is business class for Asia destinations.

There is also the frequent flyer benefits to think about.  Some companies (like Ford I believe) don't let you keep them and they go into a pool.  Not sure how that works.

RE: Business Travel

Coach all around the world... sad But I take revenge in restaurants blllttt

They will let me avoid Ryanair and the like, though, the worst thing that happened was a Bruxelles airlines flight from (French speaking) Lyon to (French speaking) Bruxelles that apparently had been sub-sub-sub-contracted so we ended up with a bunch of air hostesses that did not speak a word French and hardly any English. Also the seat I had been given turned did not really exist, it started me wondering what all else might not be in order on the plane. Anyway statistically even the worst companies carry out incident-free flights from time to time and apparently this was one of them. :-~

RE: Business Travel

unotec,
I doubt that the majority of hispanics on board spoke or understood english. This is a safety issue because the crew announcements need to be understood by all passengers in the interest of safety.

By the way I am multilingual in German, Italian, Spanish and French, in that order.

RE: Business Travel

plasgears,
I honestly doubt they didn't understand english, but well, if you say so.

A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend
will be sitting beside you saying ” Damn that was fun!” - Unknown

RE: Business Travel

Airlines don't carry passengers in the hold, otherwise that's where we would be. Until that day arrives, we get budget flights or economy class on scheduled.

That said, some economy airline flights I have been on have been more comfortable (better legroom) and have had better food (took my own) than a number of major carriers managed to achieve at many times the price.
 

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RE: Business Travel

One proposal they have been toying with is to do away with seats and let the passengers stand leaning against a bar or something... for short haul flights they say but I guess Ryan air is figuring how many extra people they can get in already.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Premium economy to US on Monday smile. Returning in a couple of weeks on my own time smile. Still, with the current dollar/pound rate I may just fly in my dressing gown and buy a suicase and clothes when I get there.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

With the current US "security" provisions, you might as well just fly in your dressing gown on the way back, too.  I'm waiting for the day that they strip us all naked, give us cavity searches, and just have us fly in TSA-provided Tyvek suits and booties.

Within the U.S., several of the "discount" regional airlines offer *much* better service than the majors.  TV, satellite radio, better snacks, etc.

Hg

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RE: Business Travel

HgTX, I've had the same thought too.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Business Travel

I have a trip coming up, so I've been reviewing the TSA site to see the latest fun.  They have a list of common "mistakes" that include:

* Wearing bulky coats or other garments.  In other words, don't travel to or from cold areas.  For god's sake, whatever ever you do, don't do something bizarre like wear a sweater.  And if you're a woman, you better make sure that whatever businesswear you have on the last day of your meeting right before you catch your plane isn't one of those jackety things that doesn't really have anything underneath, because the TSA is gonna ask you to strip it off in public anyway.  (This has been empirically determined.)

* Wearing boots or other shoes that are hard to take on and put off.  Again, you really shouldn't be travelling to or from cold places.  Or wet places.  Or to do things other than sit in a conference room in your loafers.

In other words, my basic workwear for going to visit a plant in Wisconsin in the winter is a "mistake".

Tyvek, etc.  Where's my teleporter??

Hg

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I (stupidly) wore DMs last year on a German tip and got to de and re lace them twice on the flight back to UK.  double-security.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

What scares me is when eventually the overals are clear except for a modesty band just below the waist and across the chest (perhaps only for the ladies but that's sexist so probably for everyone).

I pitty anyone that saw me in that get up!

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Business Travel

I just discovered Easyjet still advertising cheap flights but now they want to charge extra for hold baggage... next they will charge for carry on bags and clothes. Ever tried to claim for damaged vbgs on these cheap flights? don;t waste your time, they've covered all the angles.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Many Easyjet customers are green (as in new, not eco) travellers and take up the offers of seemingly cheap car hire at their destinations.  This is where the real money is made - huge charges for "damage" to the cars on return.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

I was in the air when Richard Reed (Reid?) did his sneakerbomb thing.

Until then, shoes stayed on unless they set off the metal detector.  I had two pairs of boots--one 8" (high ankle) with no steel toes, and the other 6" with steel toes.  I didn't want to have to take them off, so I picked the high laceup boots with no steel toes.  After the first leg of my trip, I landed in a new world in which I had to lace and unlace the rest of the way through several airports.  Dammit.  

Hg

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The fun thing about being sent on Ryanair is going in the day after and booking the 30 euro excess baggage charge on expenses smile

Ben

RE: Business Travel

Don't know that my old company had a travel policy or not, but I flew from Ohio to Manchester, UK, about 8 times in a six month period for a start up.  

The third time over, I flew a USAIR(line) that was horrendous compared to the normal flight I booked.  The next time I was offered that carrier, I told my boss that I wouldn't make that trip on that airline.  Needless to say, in a half hour, I got the $500 more expensive flight on the british carrier.

The worst part was for my wife when she flew over.  She had the USAIR flight and was not impressed.  She did almost get a free night in Manchester due to overbooking, but I had already left the airport to hed back to the plant in Selby.

RE: Business Travel

I have to go to Boston next month. The company is saying they will book me out of Gatwick via Continental. I haven't flown Continental in a decade... I still have my flight miles club card but probably the points have expired.
The question is, what is Continental like these days? Would I be better to swim across?

JMW
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For a US carrier Continental is not bad.  I flew Continental to Europe last year in business and I found It better than Delta, Usair, etc.  Domestically, in the US Continental is  also pretty good.  Can't vouch for coach. Even though the company I work for limits us to coach,  I fly 100,000+ airline funny miles on one particular airline per year and almost always get an upgrade if first class exists.

RE: Business Travel

Its OK, for an extra £16 I'm flying British Airways, well I think I am.
Since the new terminal 5 opened it doesn't look so good, fortunately I fly from 4 and I hope the infection doesn't spread.
At least you still get the free booze on BA.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Not that it affects me these days, but British carriers always used to give free booze to anyone over 18 (British drinking age limit).  Get on an American carrier in London and you instantly have to be over 21!

Anyway, BA Premium Economy back from Chicago on Friday night was pretty comfotable.  Wide seats, plently of legroom. Head and shoulders about regular Economy on BA and/or any other carrier I've used before.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

The trouble is that after all that terrorism which meant you now could at last be sure your luggage travelled with you and that you could find overhead space for your laptop, BA have, with their new terminal set us back to the old days when the expression was:
"Breakfast in London, Dinner in New York, Luggage in Bermuda."
Just substitute London for Bermuda.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Continental!
I had an interesting experience with them several years ago when they first came out of hibernation. I arrived a little early at the gate. They started boarding, so I showed my pass and walked on.
My seat was occupied so I took another nearby. The opening announcement was a joke on a new flight attendant: "Welcome to Newark. We look foreward ... etc. OOPS!"
When we got to Newark my luggage was not there. I went to claims, and they said my flight had not landed yet! I was boarded on the previous flight.
I don't seek to fly on Continental anymore, but the others are not terribly better.

RE: Business Travel

Hmm, in and out of LHR T4 thankfully so no probs.  Will wait for them to sort their act out before risking T5!

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

(OP)
I just flew on Asiana Airline and New Zealand Air.

What a breath of fresh air!!  These foreign (outside of USA) carriers are fantastic.  The service on Asiana was probably the best I've ever had.  New Zealand was a close second.

Due to company agreements, we usually fly United to Asia and the Pacific.  United service is the pits.  The attendants seem more annoyed than anything.  I'm sure they get a lot of verbal abuse on board, especially in the States, but why do the foreign carriers seem different?

Anyway, I'm glad they just opened the skies between Europe and the US.

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RE: Business Travel

I think the equal opportunities and discrimination laws play a role with US Carriers.
I've travelled on a few where the trolley dollies were well past their sell by date and knew it. They were also past caring whether the cattle were contented or not.
Though why they should want to carry on at what can be very hard work (if they do it and don't just circle wagons in the galley) when past a certain age I don't know. I did wonder if liver damage claimed more of them on some airlines which would explain why they had a higher proportion of younger staff than others as those I have known were dedicated to absorbing as much alcohol as possible when they got the chance.

So far my favourite airline is Qatar air, cattle class or first. One trip London to Singapore and I qualified for silver and the second trip I got bumped to first (due to over-booking) and got free run of the lounge at Doha, just help yourself to the drinks and food which, for a 5 hour layover, was welcome.

JMW
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Boarding in London was a cinch.
I just walked in, dumped my bag at the drop off and went for coffee. Then when I went through security it was the usual shoes off, jacket off routine but over with in a flash.

Coming back from Boston it was all show but what substance?
Shoes off. Jackets off and anything electrical, including laptops, had to be taken out of their bags and placed separately in the trays.
Well Ok, so I put my cell phone, camera and computer out but I couldn't be bothered about the two optical mice, the bluetooth RS 232/485 connector, the card reader or the standard RS 232/485 converter and whatever esle was festering in there.
And I forgot to take the change out of my pocket (about $3 in quarters) nor did I remember to take off my belt buckle (a large chunk of Navaho silver).
But they waved me through OK.
Now on high alert days I have known the detectors go off for a piece of silver foil or for the metal studs on jeans pockets.
Of course, there was only one security screen running and so all this took forever.

Last to board, I found all the overhead space taken up because despite all this security they are again letting people take their entire wordly goods on board as carry on luggage.

The security at the USS Constitution was tighter and they were even looking inside peoples cigarette packets. The USS Constitution is obviously a more important asset than a plane full of people.
I was amused to see that firearms are forbidden on US Navy and Military bases. That should make the peace-nics happy, unarmed military. But then, the modern military seems entirely dependent on precision guided ordnance and I guess that excludes hand held weapons of any description.

By the way, my side trip to the Constitution was made possible by the usual airline fares deal where I could have paid £1340 and gone home Friday night or £314 and go home Sunday which I did.
Our host said he went to Panama during the holidays and discovered that he couldn't use his air miles as they doubled the requirements during the holidays.
Then he discovered that if he booked first class he could... so let's get that straight, he had enough air miles to go first class but not enough to go second.
Why?
Because they never double up the first class rates, they just up the cattle class rates when they feel like it.

Now, is it any wonder that a couple more airlines went bust over the weekend? These guys couldn't run tap.

JMW
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RE: Business Travel

Continental ain't BA or Virgin, but it's not bad.  In my experience it's been better internationally than domestically.

I hate Delta with the flaming passion of a thousand suns, but others seem not to have the same pattern of problems I do.  I will only book Delta if there is no other way to get the times and locations I need.  (And to add insult to injury, they don't have wi-fi in their JFK terminal; I guess you have to buy a membership to the lounge or something.)

Hg

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RE: Business Travel

Re shoes:

Just after the "shoe bomber" event I mad the mistake of wearing my DM's for a flight.  Never again!  There was double security too so I ended up carrying them around the airport.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

Except then they won't let you on the plane unless you put your shoes/boots back *on*.  At least that's what happened to me.  I wanted to tell 'em to make up their damn minds, but then again I also wanted to be allowed to take my flight, so I just did what I was told...

Hg

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Eating sh1t is the bit I hate most about flying.  There is no alternative, whatever you get you just have to hold your breath and swallow.

- Steve

RE: Business Travel

What I really dislike is the culture of dishonesty: did you ever get the same answer twice, not just from different people but even from the same person?

How many "technical" reasons are actually commercial? (And yes, it surprises me they'd rather have you worry that whatever was wrong with the plane might still be wrong with it when you fly than let you think they just want to screw the last dollar out of your flight).

I've found that whenever you have a problem they can't solve they never say "Sorry, can't be done." The guy at check in will say "You have to talk to them at the gate." and the guy at the gate will say "You have to talk to the crew." and the flight attendant will say "I have to check with the In-flight Director so why don't you just take your assigned seats for the moment while I see if I can get it  get it sorted out."
Don't ever agree to sit down. Once you sit you are there for the flight.
I've also asked for a seat with leg room, been told that that is what I've been given and found my seat was the most cramped on the plane. Liars, damned liars and airline staff.

I've also discovered that smart and polite gets you cr**ped on. The guys that get their way are the ones who push the limits of nuisance value to just short of being pitched off the plane.

My first flight into Miami one Christmas the plane was late, they had just two or three customs desks open and hundreds queued at each. In the line I picked the guy in front was bad mouthing anyone and everyone who came near to him in a voice that carried across the terminal. "I'm a citizen and a Taxpayer, I'll write my congressman"

Too late to change lines and I could see everyone around him getting more apprehensive and I could see the lady at the desk getting ready to "settle his hash" (she didn't actually check that her gun was loose in its holster but mentally, yes). I was expecting she'd take him apart, empty his luggage all over the place and maybe even have him strip searched. I had a connecting flight and I was expecting a to miss it (I did, actually, but not through any fault of his).

BUT, two or three people from the desk he shut up. When he got there he was all sweetness and politeness and he so wrong footed the poor woman that had he been smuggling a kilo or two of heroin or dirty nuclear bomb he'd have got it through, she just didn't want to be the trigger for another rant.  

JMW
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Quote (jmw):

I've also discovered that smart and polite gets you cr**ped on. The guys that get their way are the ones who push the limits of nuisance value to just short of being pitched off the plane.
Long before 9/11 I was supposed to change planes in SFO, arrived minutes before I was supposed to leave, ran between terminals and arrived at the gate just after they'd shut the door of the plane.  But this being SFO in the evening the plane was still sitting there, practically close enough to touch.  So I just started raising a ruckus; I was there, the plane was there, it wasn't moving, so there was no reason I couldn't be on that plane.  Before the plane moved the gate personnel had decided they didn't really want to have to put up with me until they could get me on a later flight, so pretty soon the jet way was extended back to the plane and I got on.  Of course my luggage was on a later flight.

Wouldn't dare do that now, all they'd do is call for the goons.

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