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wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
25 Feb 08 16:22
Is there anyone using the Composites workbench? I'm interested in finding some training, but can't find any pre-canned classes online. I imagine we could get a custom class, but I thought I might see if anyone using it has any suggestions.

Again, I can find plenty of Fibersim training courses, but none on the catia training workbench.... I'll admit that I have done only cursory google searches though.

Thanks for your help & time...

Wes C.
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klaas2 (Mechanical)
25 Feb 08 16:25
we using it ,but also look for any  training clas
wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
25 Feb 08 16:27
I guess I should have said, we are in California, USA, but can probablly travel (US only) for the class if you know of any.

Wes C.
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klaas2 (Mechanical)
25 Feb 08 16:35
whoo   
Well i do not know any class i am europa based, and gone visit san franciso in dec .
They also offered me a job in san diego  ,but no thanks i europa
itsmyjob (Mechanical)
25 Feb 08 16:53
Did you just buy the license and then you are looking for services?

We are currently looking at both FiberSim and CATIA composite solutions and training is part of the PROJECT…

DS/IBM can provide us with training here in Canada... I am sure they will be happy ($$$) to come and visit you.

Eric N.
indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
25 Feb 08 18:51
Hi Eric,

No, we've had a liscense for a couple of years, but only one guy knows how to really use it.

Wes C.
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AXXX (Aeronautics)
26 Feb 08 9:45
We have been using it for many years.

CPD really usefull training is customised, but if you just need an "eye-opener" DS will oblige. From experience, these tend to be a bit vague and disconnected from reality.

The reason for this is that there are 3 main approaches to composite design and the "canned" courses, like fast food, target all sorts of tastes.

The complexity of your components and technology available to "lay" them, determines if you need an advanced and highly customised training course.

What do you design/make?     
wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
26 Feb 08 11:08
We make prototype and proof of concept aircraft (as well as other various composite structures) - however, we are just getting in to Very Low Run production.

Wes C.
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AXXX (Aeronautics)
26 Feb 08 20:16
WES616,

From the information provided I will assume all the following statements are true:

-you only do manual lay-up

-your sizing is by trial and error (no stress input to CPD)

-you only want CPD to define ply flat patterns and calculate predicted mass.

in that case DS will have available a SOLID BASED CPD course that suits your process.

However, if your process is more elaborate, that course will not be enough.
 
Rgs
wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
26 Feb 08 20:48
Rgs,

All correct statments. I'll search on the DS site for training.

Wes C.
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wes616 (Aerospace) (OP)
27 Feb 08 1:33
Well, sorry I was running out of the office. One facet of your statement was in err; please allow me to correct myself. We have several composites design/sizing packages, integrated with our FEA to do sizing of our structures, but the layups are manually entered several times, and it would be great to not have to do this in multiple programs.

Additionally, we do quite a bit of filament winding, but I'm not sure how CPD deals with this process. Since I am not part of that department, I don't even know the right questions to ask.

Additionally, I believe that there is some future consideration in the near term to purchase a ply cutting machine as a customer requirement for a program we have bid (if we are awarded the program).

I will search the DS site though. Thanks for your help again. If you have any further suggestions, they'd be much appreciated.

Wes C.
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brep (Mechanical)
27 Feb 08 6:04
By the way, if you want to incorporate FEA with CPD you should look at the products that Simulayt offers.
AXXX (Aeronautics)
27 Feb 08 16:36
wes,

Since you have FEA/FEM code to size your components you do need to pass on the material, orientation and thickness law to CPD. It is possible, using a slightly more complicated CPD capability: GRID.
Thats when the virtual ply manipulation "black art" starts; generally using highly customised code within V5.

No fil.winding capability yet in CPD, which is a major flaw in the product; if enough companies demonstrate an interest in FW, DS will oblige I am sure.

It will be a huge technological leap to your company to be able to convey ply data from V5 to an Auto Tape Layer. But you have to start somehow: get CPD GRID training, either from DS or from your "customer", if you win the bid.

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