ENGINEERING GRAMMER FOR NOTES
ENGINEERING GRAMMER FOR NOTES
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A CO-WORKER AND I ARE ARGUING OVER PROPER GRAMMER AS IT APPLIES TO DRAWING NOTES. AS FICKLE AS THIS MAY SOUND, I HATE BEING TOLD THAT I AM WRONG WITHOUT GOOD PREMISE. HE SAYS THAT ANY SENTENCE MUST END IN A PERIOD. MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT IF THE NOTE IS LONGER THAN ONE SENTENCE PERIODS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAS PARTICULAR NOTE ONLY.
ANY DIRECTION IN THIS MATTER WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY.
ANY DIRECTION IN THIS MATTER WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY.





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Remember, the notes are for the people that are manufacturing your part. Good grammar and spelling will make their job that much easier and have less mistakes.
IMO, use good grammar, periods, etc, and spell check.
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
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However, IMO, whether the notes are engineering related or not is irrelevant. You should abide by the "rules" of whichever language you are using.
... and while I'm replying:-
1) PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SHOUTING!
2) There is no 'e' in the word grammar.
3) The use of periods, commas, etc, is not grammar; it is punctuation.
As Chris mentioned, you should be consistent. If you are not going to use a period, then why bother with any punctuation?
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I've considered not using periods for list type notes like:
2. MATERIAL: 316 SST
or
2. MATERIAL: 316 SST.
But I've since settled on using full punctuation, even for these. It's just clearer. The only time I don't use a period is for notes with actual formatted lists, but that is rare, and I normally try to avoid documenting a spec in that manner anyway.
Matt Lorono
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources
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While your notation for material call out is straight and to the point I would typically punctuate it anyway. English dictates that even one word is a sentence. No?
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Matt Lorono
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
and Mechnical.Engineering Yahoo! Group
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Are you on your ...?
(Just kidding)
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
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From what I am able to find, actual punctuation guidelines are not addressed in this standard. If somebody finds something please post.
Otherwise my thoughts on this subject are to be logical; if the statement is clear and concise, it is most likely a sentence. If this is so, then use a period. If not,then don't punctuate and consider revising if it is not concise enough or does it even belong.
The material callout, as used in an earlier example is not a sentence nor is it a statement. Therefore, does it even belong in a general note section?
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Regarding Matt's brief material sample:
Does it not tell you what to make the part out of, period or not?
If the drawing format I have to work with does not have a material box in the title block area, I would make a general note just like that (although probably calling out the material spec. too).
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Now, if you choose to list it as shown in the example, thats fine but it would not get a period at the end since it does not constitute a statement.
In regards to whether it belongs there or not is up to you, I don't know your situation or practices. However, it is always a good question to ask. If the answer is yes, but it needs revising, then do so. If not and it belongs in the Title Block or BOM, than you may have proactivly squelched a potential issue.
Remember, I am somewhat a purist so please do not be offended, it's just my opinion.
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Although some companies do not have proper title blocks and do not have an area for material, a material note would be fine. Matt's sample for a material note will work, but I also would add a material spec per CheckerRon's suggestion.
I have seen companies list notes on drawings without note numbering and without periods. Very difficult to differentiate between notes.
Consistency should be #1 on a drawing. Use all periods or all none.
Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
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For instance for finishes rather than saying
FINISH: ANODIZE IAW MIL... (no period0
They say.
ANODIZE PART PER MIL... (with period) [Arguably to be a requirement rather than an instruction it should probably say PART TO BE ANODOZED PER MIL... but how far do you take it!]
The material callout is an exception and just has MATERIAL: although as we have to type in the material (if it wont fit in the title box) then I suppose we can add a . if we wish! I wouldn't reject a drawing based on this example. However, I generally require correct grammar/punctionation, even if I don't always manage it in my posts
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Curious, if a period is a "full stop" the the Brits, is a comma a half stop?
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Matt Lorono
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
and Mechnical.Engineering Yahoo! Group
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Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 10-07-07)
ctopher's blog
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a comma is a comma
a semi colon is a semi colon
and a colon is a colon
Of course parenthesis may at times be brackets, or maybe that's just the poor standard of my Enlish.
I only got a C so I'm bowing out.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 10-07-07)
ctopher's blog
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They came in multiple flavours, square[], curly {} and regular().
This time I am bowing out.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Chris
SolidWorks/PDMWorks 08 2.0
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 10-07-07)
ctopher's blog
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Noticed something while looking in ASME Y14.100-2004 yesterday. Section 4.26 is all about notes. I haven't read the whole thing in great depth recently but did notice in 4.26.6
So there you go. Your notes must be grammatically correct. As to what defines grammatically correct…
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Gramma, Tic Lee, approved.
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Notes In Complience With The Grammar Bible.
For Definitions, The Oxford Dictionary Will Be Consulted.
Diagramming Sentences Per The Reed-Kellogg Method.
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