Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
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Hello,
I want to convert a load of 2000 N over a time period of 0.064sec to a quasi-static load so that I can apply it to my fea model in ANSYS. Can anyone suggest any methods or references. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
David Landis
I want to convert a load of 2000 N over a time period of 0.064sec to a quasi-static load so that I can apply it to my fea model in ANSYS. Can anyone suggest any methods or references. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
David Landis





RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Tobalcane
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RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Tobalcane
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RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
If you still want to do a quasi-static analys, then you need to know the transmissibility of your system and multiply your load (which I presume is due to impact) by the transmissibility value. Calculating transmissibility can be a royal pain.
Hope this helps some what.
Ali
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Thanks everyone for your input. The load is a shock load for an aircraft landing gear. The loading is a triangular pulse with G levels specified at,
t = 0.000 sec, Acceleration = 0G
t = 0.032 sec, Acceleration = 42G
t = 0.064 sec, Acceleration = 0G
The load is for a crash impulse and is a design specification from a handbook so I know it is right.
I cant seem to understand what the difference is between a static load and a quasi-static load and how can I convert it into a quasi-static load?
Thanks,
David Landis
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Tobalcane
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Dr Michael F Platten
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
203.87kg/42g = 4kg.
Seems a bit light??
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
It is conservative.
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RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Thanks,
David Landis
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
However, the missing information is the effective spring constant of the gear. The 42 g acts on the shock absorber, so the amount of compression divided by the spring constant gives the actual force imparted to the gear.
As a exercise, consider the F18 at 16850kg, assume that its two main gear take all the weight and under static conditions, they compress 2 inches. This results in a spring constant of 1.6 MN/m. Assume that the gear compress 10 times the static value during landing; that results in 826 kN of peak force applied applied to the gear. That's assuming the spring constant is constant, natch...
So, you need to know what the static and dynamic deflections are to get to even a first-order model. You need to know the mass of the plane and how that's distributed across the landing gear.
One possibly useful bit of information is the 42g divided by the time to peak acceleration, 32 ms, which results in a sink rate of 2600 fpm, definitely a crash condition.
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I don't know where the 2000N comes from, it is very low for any full size A/C
Oh I made a mistake, it is not conservative. IF there is an undamped resonance in that frequency range then you won't excite it properly with a static load.
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RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
It all comes down to finding the magnification factor for your model.
A quasi-static analysis simply ignores modal effects in the response of your model. I use it all the time.
What is the definition of "static"?
A static load is one where the rate of application (period of application) is long compared to the fundamental period of the structure. In terms of transmissibility, the ratio f_load/f_structure is going to be zero (or very near zero). This is equivalent to a transmissibility of 1. That is the structure will "see" all of the applied load. as f_load/f_structure approaches 1, the transmissibility will be greater than 1. This means the forces the structure sees will be equivalent to the applied load multiplied by the magnification (or sometimes called transmissibility) factor.
Now for any f_load/f_structure > 0 there will be some magnification of the load seen by the structure. However, for small values (typically less than 0.33) you won't introduce much error on your calculations by assuming your problem is static (transmissibility~1)
The advantage here is that you don't need to do a full transient analysis since modal effects are negligible. This saves computing time. Also if you can model your system as a 1DOF spirng-mass-damper you can easily calculate the magnification factor.
For a system to be modeled as 1DOF, the 2nd lowest mode must be AT LEAST one octave above the fundmental. Otherwise dynamic coupling can occur between modes and you will get very large responses.
For example, in the case of a half-sine pulse, if your system can be modeled as a 1DOF spring-mass-damper then all you need to know is the frequency ratio. The response spectrum for a half-sine pulse can be found in any dynamics book or from an internet search. if you know the frequency ratio R you can pick the Magnification ratio right off of the graph. Then you take the load and multipy it by the magnification ratio and apply it as a body force to your model. For a half-sine pulse, when the frequency of the structure is five times or more the frequency of the pulse, the magnification factor varies between 1 and 1.2. As a rule of thumb, when I do a shock analysis and the fundamental frequency of the structure is at least 5X that of the shock pulse, I simply apply the peak acceleration as a body load to my model.
My advice on how to solve the problem:
Run a modal analysis of your structure. The frequency of the shock pulse is 15.625 Hz. If the fundamental frequency is at least 78.125Hz then you can simply apply the 42G load to your model as a body force and run a static analysis.
If the natural frequency of your model is closer to the frequency of your shock pulse, you will need to come up with the magnification factor. The brute force method would be to do a full transient FEA. If your model isn't too large this is probably a good option. If the model is too large/complex to run then your only real choice is to try and convert it to an equivalent spring-mass-damper system. Then run a transient FEA on the simple model. Compare the peak response acceleration to the input acceleration. This will give you the magnification factor. Apply the factor to the 42 G's and run the static analysis on your full model.
As an aside, if the frequency of the structure is half or less than that of the shock pulse, your transmissibility will be less than 1. This is the isolation region.
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Very interested in youR reply here.
I too have to perform FEA dealing with shock pulses upto 25g 11ms half sine I have a couple of questions if you are still monitoring this post:
1)When you talk about response spectrum for a half sine pulse, I presume you are referring to dynamic load factor graphs?
2) The 2nd lowest mode being at least an octave above fundamental, can you tell me how this is calculated?
It would be incredibly useful to be able perform a static analysis on a structure rather than perform a full blown dynamic analysis, so if i read this properly the steps would be for a 25g 11ms half sine input (f=90.91hz):
a) Run a modal analysis and ensure the 2nd mode is at least an octave above fundamental
b) If a) above is correct, then as long as the natural frequency of the structure is 5 times higher than the input frequency, use this ratio to read the magnification factor direct from a dynamic load factor graph for half sine
Regards
J
RE: Conversion of Dynamic Load to a Quasi-Static Load
Very interested in your reply here.
I too have to perform FEA dealing with shock pulses upto 25g 11ms half sine I have a couple of questions if you are still monitoring this post:
When you talk about response spectrum for a half sine pulse, I presume you are referring to dynamic load factor graphs?
It would be incredibly useful to be able perform a static analysis on a structure rather than perform a full blown dynamic analysis, so if i read this properly the steps would be for a 25g 11ms half sine input (f=90.91hz):
1) Run a modal analysis and ensure the 2nd mode is at least an octave above fundamental
2) If 1) above is correct, then as long as the natural frequency of the structure is 5 times higher than the input frequency, use this ratio to read the magnification factor direct from a dynamic load factor graph for half sine
Regards
J