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chrisblo (Industrial) (OP)
7 Nov 07 13:53
Is there any rules/experience for lubrication or not when using stainless bolts and nuts, below 200°C.
CoryPad (Materials)
7 Nov 07 14:25
There are many choices of lubricants for stainless fasteners.  Many of them are dry film types.  Here is one example:

http://www.nylok.com/products_nyplate.htm

The are standards for these products: USA military, ASTM, etc.

Regards,

Cory

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EdStainless (Materials)
7 Nov 07 16:50
Don't use soaps, they often contain chlorides.
I like synthetics with molydisulfide.

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Still trying to help you stop corrosion.
formerly Trent Tube, now Plymouth Tube
eblessman@plymouth.com
or edstainless@earthlink.net

SnTMan (Mechanical)
7 Nov 07 18:34
Some older heat exchanger specs call for milk of magnesia for (I think) austenitic bolting.

Regards,

Mike
metengr (Materials)
7 Nov 07 18:41

Quote:

I like synthetics with molydisulfide.

Not in nuclear facilities.
KENAT (Mechanical)
7 Nov 07 18:53
Do you mean to stop the threads galling?

In the UK I think the term was anti galling compound.

I've never found a hard and fast rule for when it's needed, so if someone has one I'd be interested too.

I do know I saw it more often used on larger threads.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

MikeHalloran (Mechanical)
7 Nov 07 20:55
The general rule is you _always_ use _something_ on stainless threads.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

unclesyd (Materials)
7 Nov 07 22:42
As we have a majority of SS fasteners in our Intermediates Area we use one of the following lubricants/anti-galling compounds on every SS fastener no matter the type or material. We like for the mechanic to coat both the threads and the nut. We really haven't seen any discernible difference in these materials at the lower temperatures.

One word of caution since these materials come in convenient aerosol cans that make application very easy. If you have a lot of hot steam or process lines where one could sit a can on I would limit the materials to the brush top cans. Don't ask me how I know this as I stand here in my copper colored shirt.  

C5 A

http://68.72.74.107/tds/c5acopperbasedantiseize.pdf

Never Seeze

http://www.neverseezproducts.com/?gclid=CPP8uqKjzI8CFQKHHgodDHFExg

Silver Goop

http://www.swagelok.com/search/product_detail.aspx?part=MS-TL-SGC





chrisblo (Industrial) (OP)
8 Nov 07 5:07
Thanks for all replies, more specific we are using pressure vessels @ 5-7 bar (g) with quite a lot of flanges using 316 L bolts/nuts due to external corrosion environment. When changing gaskets we do re tight after 1-3 batches, but we can see after 100-150 batches the bolts are starting get "loose" and a leakage occur. We are not using any lubrication att all today and I thought this can be the reason for leakage(to less torque)after a while. No major vibrations are involved.

Thanks in advance
SJones (Petroleum)
8 Nov 07 6:24
Don't use molybdenum disulphide containing lubricants.  It reacts with atmospheric moisture to generate H2S that can crack the bolts.

Steve Jones
Materials & Corrosion Engineer
http://www.pdo.co.om/pdoweb/

btrueblood (Mechanical)
8 Nov 07 10:34
Milk of magnesia works for very high temperatures, where oil/grease products would just char and go away.  Better than MoM is Boron Nitride powder, or BN mixed with a little water to form a paste.  With water added, it has a soapy, slick texture much like graphite.  We used both of the above for a vacuum heat exchanger connection that saw temperatures of 1600F routinely.  
unclesyd (Materials)
8 Nov 07 11:35
I think you may have a gasket problem along with a fastener problem.
First off I would recalculate the flange and gasket using A193 B8 Class II bolting instead of the current 316L you are now using. The added strength of the class II fastener coupled with proper tightening will give the better gasket seating stress. I would also take a good look at the gasket selection, both type and material, as you may have a problem with gasket relaxation in time. Depending on the flange design you may also have to go to an energised gasket to handle the cyclic load if the flange will not allow adequate seating stress for the existing gasket.


Here is a BN based lubricant as mention in the post by btrueblood

http://www.socousa.com/home/Chemola/Maint/tp220.htm
EdStainless (Materials)
8 Nov 07 12:36
Don't tell anyone that I said this, but some pure isoprop, a healthy dose of very fine BN powder and some time in a microwave makes a nice slurry.

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Still trying to help you stop corrosion.
formerly Trent Tube, now Plymouth Tube
eblessman@plymouth.com
or edstainless@earthlink.net

unclesyd (Materials)
8 Nov 07 23:51
BOOM

Isopropyl Alcohol in a standard microwave oven can be extremely hazardous to one's health.
EdStainless (Materials)
9 Nov 07 12:08
First, anyone that stands in front of a microwave even when heating water is taking a big risk.
IPA doesn't even get warm, not enough water in it.  The BN forms a floculent that will stay suspended.

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Still trying to help you stop corrosion.
formerly Trent Tube, now Plymouth Tube
eblessman@plymouth.com
or edstainless@earthlink.net

johnSchwaner (Aerospace)
9 Nov 07 21:29
"Milk of magnesia works for very high temperatures"

I've got to ask - you go to the drug store and buy a box and mix it with water? Or do you use it as it comes?

from one who has never used the stuff

-I've also heard that a little Milk of Magnesia in a lead-acid battery will bring it back to life.

Sounds like wonderful stuff!
SnTMan (Mechanical)
9 Nov 07 22:34
Your preference:)
rmw (Mechanical)
9 Nov 07 23:43
JohnS,

Did you mean that you never used the stuff as a SS lubricant or never used the stuff personally?  I can't remember what it was that Mom used to dose us with Milk of Magnesia for but I've used plenty of the stuff-just never as a SS lubricant.

rmw
unclesyd (Materials)
10 Nov 07 11:29
If you are going for personal use get the flavored kind and get the original, unflavored, bottle for use with fasteners.
Some of the flavors will have a small amount of chlorides to enhance the flavor.
btrueblood (Mechanical)
12 Nov 07 16:06
Or buy USP grade MgO in powder form, and mix with water or IPA to form a slurry.  But, remember to rewet the stuff before you back the fastener out after it's been hot and dried.  Raw, dry MgO powder is somewhat abrasive, and not a lubricant, just something to keep from getting metal-to-metal contact.  BN powder is a bit different, it tends to absorb moisture from the air fairly quickly (and can be rewet like the MgO), and when moist/wet is a lubricant.

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