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Perpendicularity of a frame

Perpendicularity of a frame

Perpendicularity of a frame

(OP)
I am building a frame per the attached. The questions:
Perpendicularity of each side is shown as .06 relative to datum A.

Question 1:
a) Does this mean that the point shown at each red arrow tip (left side and right side) can each "swing" .060 to the left or .060 to the right? (making for a total allowed arc of 0.120)
b) OR does this mean that the total maximum allowed "swing arc" is .060, meaning that the maximum allowed in either direction off of nominal is .030?


Question 2:
Is there any linkage between the left and right? Or is each perpendicularity symbol taken on its own, without regard to the other?
(This would mean that if left and right sides angled out, that the distance between the red arrow tips would be 0.120 (if the answer to 1a above is 'yes'), or 0.060 if the answer to 1b is 'yes')

Also, is there a citation or section in Y14.5 that describes this?


Thank you

RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

(OP)
I uploaded the file that goes with the above question, but it does not show on my post - how do I link the uploaded .pdf to my question?

thanks

RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

Hi mactruck

Without seeing your diagram I would say this:-

If you put a geometrical tolerance of squareness (0.06) of a single feature to a datum then the allowable out of squareness would be +/- 0.06.
So if you have 2 features going to the same datum the maximum parallel error between them would be 0.12.

Hope that helps

regards

desertfox

RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

I don't know about the citation in ASME Y14.5, but to answer your questions -

1. A is correct - the total swing is .12 (.06 in any direction).

2. Perpendicularity is only taken between the surface which is being controlled, and the controlling datum(s) (i.e. left and right have no bearing on each other unless referenced parallel to one another with one being a datum). The arrow points can shift .06 in any direction, and therefore can be +/- .12 away from each other, off-normal.

Hope this helps.

V

Mechanical Engineer
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RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

I agree with VCastro66. The total swing would be .12. Each call out should be inspected individually with respect to Datum A.  You can visually observe this under the ASME-1994 std through FIG 6-34 - 6-42.

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RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

mactuck: I can't pull up your graphic, since my company has really strict filters, but as long as you are not exceeding your maximum size tolerance, you can be out of squareness +/-.12 as the other guys have said.

RE: Perpendicularity of a frame

Agree with the others.  Dimensioned as you state, you can be out of square +\-.06 (.12 total swing).

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