impact of sphere on water
impact of sphere on water
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Does anyone know how I can calculate the impact force/energy of a sphere falling onto a fluid?
I know the geometry and mass of the ball, the height it has fallen (so can calculate a velocity at impact), and i know the properties of the fluid its being dropped onto.
the real life situation is a frac ball being dropped down drill pipe when the mud level in the drill pipe is about 150m below drill floor. I am trying to calculate, knowing the impact strength in ft-lb/in of the ball, whether this would be enough to fracture the ball.
I know the geometry and mass of the ball, the height it has fallen (so can calculate a velocity at impact), and i know the properties of the fluid its being dropped onto.
the real life situation is a frac ball being dropped down drill pipe when the mud level in the drill pipe is about 150m below drill floor. I am trying to calculate, knowing the impact strength in ft-lb/in of the ball, whether this would be enough to fracture the ball.





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KE = 0.5 * m * v^2
If it's moving pretty fast into a confined liquid, it's almost like hitting concrete, so you might be able to neglect any complex fluid calculations if you're just looking for the worst case. The impact strength is just how much energy can be imparted to the material in an impact, per unit of thickness, before it breaks.
Is it a hollow ball?
Don
Kansas City
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Yes, I suppose to go down the road of complex fluid calcs may be overthinking things a bit.
The ball is solid. It is 2-1/4" dia. made of phenolic plastic with a metalic filler. specific gravity of 3.4, so it weighs around 0.3 kg. I don't know the exact co-ef. of drag for it, so terminal velocity when it hit the mud could have been anywhere between 50 - 150 m/sec according to my rough calcs.
So if:
E = 1/2 m v^2 = .5 x .3 x 50^2 = 375 J
thickness = ball dia. = 0.057 m
impact energy = aprox 6580 J/m
The limit of the material is 0.5 ft-lb/in
1 ft-lb/in = 53.4 J/m, so 0.5 ft-lb/in = 26.7 J/m.
So we've exceeded the impact strength by a factor of about 250. This seems excessive (but agrees with what I'm trying to prove, so I'll take it).
Any more thoughts?
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Do the terminal velocity in free air to get a much smaller conservative term velocity;moreover, being inside a pipe would be much less.
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ht
on the calculator there i used mass = 0.332 kg, CSA = 0.0026, altitude = 114m, drag coeff. = 0.5 (just looked this up as a typical [high] value for a sphere)
I suppose they're used to objects travelling a bit faster than small plastic balls in drillpipe though, so not necessarily to be trusted....
The drillpipe ID is about 4-3/4 inches.
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v=sqrt(2gh) is the maximum possible velocity (no drag)
=47 m/sec
including drag ...
mgh = 0.5mv^2+(Cd*0.5rhov^2*CSA)*v
2gh = v^2(1+Cd*rho*CSA*v/m)
if v = 47m/sec the () term is 1+0.5*1.225*0.0026*47/0.03) = 3.5
correct v ... v = sqrt(2*9.8*114/3.5) = 47/sqrt(3.5) = 25m/sec
correct () ... = 2.33
correct v ... = 31m/sec
correct () ... = 2.64
correct v ... = 29 m/sec ...
converging on 30 m/sec
there looks as tho' there's plenty of room in the pipe for the ball (2.25" dia in 4.75" dia pipe) ... still how can the fluid react to the impact ?
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See thread404-96282: Collision with an Incompressible fluid
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This whole thing is starting to appear to me like one of those cases where you could waste a colossal amount of time (which is money) on assumptions and complex calculations and still not get it right. Can't you just drop one of these balls down the chute and see if it breaks? How much does the ball cost?
Don
Kansas City
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Don't know if there'd be any publications, also it wouldn't address the fact it's in a tube.
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barnes wallis also spun his bomb (to get it to skip).
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One question though, why are you doing it??
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I remember in the film "Dambusters" that his early prototypes would break up on impact so I thought there may be some related info.
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I would like the OP to give the reaason for dropping the ball down the hole and more details on the whole thing.
We could speculate about it, but at the end of the day, all we know is that somebody wants to drop a ball down a hole in the mud.
If the sphere has to be intact upon impact then you can design it to be by picking the worst case if needs be, but without more specifics, then you end up arguing about semantics.
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quote "mgh = 0.5mv^2+(Cd*0.5rhov^2*CSA)*v"
Where did you get that one?
zeke
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to explain a bit more history, this ball is used in a tool which is run down into the well. fluid is initially circulated through the tool to wash out the landing area, then when the tool is landed, the ball is dropped down the hole, which blocks a port and allows pressure to be built up. this pressure then shears a pin which opens a port and allows pressure to energise the tool. it sounds a bit daft but it's a field proven tool which has worked great for years and similar designs are used across the industry.
ordinarily the ball would be dropped in and the pipe would be full of fluid right up to the drill floor. in this instance due to the additives which had recently been put in the drilling mud, the fluid level was about 115m below the drill floor when the ball was dropped in.
when the ball went in, they waited the 10 minutes or so for it to land (1500m down to the seabed) then pressured the tool but couldnt build pressure to function the tool. when it was recovered to surface, the ball had fragmented.
essentially what i'm trying to prove is that what caused the ball to fracture was the impact on the fluid after a 115m free-fall, rather than any malfunction inside the tool.
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"... so it weighs around 0.3 kg", your post 12th (@ 11.07)
i assumed you meant kgf
dia = 2.25", volume = 5.95in3 = 98cc
a liter of water weighs 1kgf, so your ball weighs about 0.3kgf, and its mass is about 0.03kgm.
zekeman,
potential energy = kinetic energy + energy lost overcoming drag (=DV)
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One kgm weighs 1kgf here on earth where g=9.81. Sounds like you're on some planet with a gravitational constant 10 times that...
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You can't use the terminal drag force for the drag term since the velocity varies along the path; so you have to write a diff equation for that.
mvdv/dx=mg-kv^, e.g.
which is simple to solve.
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The drag term is kv^2, not kv^
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Now, craigp83, your problem is associated IMHO with the impact toughness of your metal filled phenolic plastic. If you can estimate that (or determine it by test) you would get an estimate of the energy necessary to break the ball, corresponding to the limit case of the mud behaving as a solid body.
If it was a steel ball with a typical toughness of 25 J on a 10x10 mm specimen, an energy of some 600 J would be required to break your ball into two halves, somewhat higher, but with the same order of magnitude, as the energy of the ball at impact.
So, if the toughness of the plastic is substantially lower than that of steel (as I expect, but have no data to offer), then you should expect a failure.
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You said that normally, the fluid level is at the drill floor, but due to additives to the mud (I'm assuming it made the mud denser, which weighed down the whole fluid column, pushing it down) when you guys dropped the plug in, it was 115m lower. If possible, couldn't you just bring the fluid level up higher so the ball doesn't fall as far before it hits the fluid? Seems to me that floating water on top of the mud should do the trick.
However, I'm not a petroleum engineer, so I don't know what doing that would mean to the mud or the hole.
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prex - yeah, i'd considered doing a drop test. I think we're sort of short on these things at the moment though so I'll wait until we get some spares in before I go breaking any more.
Jistre - yes, the idea is that the fluid should be at drill floor level and we will re-iterate this to the operator.
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and yes, the way i accounted for drag was conservative.
how about instead of dropping the ball, could you lower it (attached to some string, or something) ?
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Do some controlled drops to validate calculations.
If nothing else drop it our of a top floor building into a bucket of water (or mud) and see if it survives.
To make sure it hits the water use a guideline (simplistically tape a bit of a drinking straw to each side of the sphere. Have 2 parrallel lines (fishing line or similar) from drop height down to the bucket.
Try and record velocity or related if you can.
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