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Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?
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Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
A fairly light hearted one for you:

They are having layoffs at my place.  Apparently one of the deciding factors is who has a degree or not.

I have a Bachelors of Engineering (honors just so you knowwinky smile) but apparently no one except my direct boss knew this and they were planning accordingly.  He has made a point of letting senior staff know I have one but…

Just to re-enforce the point how tacky would it be to put it in a frame and mount it in my cube?

My boss and I were joking about it earlier, I’m tempted to do it just for comic effect but then, maybe not.

Opinions?

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Photocopy it and use a 2.5" x 3.5" frame to set on your desk next to that mug you got from the software vendor.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

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Have it printed on your coffee mug and make sure you are drinking from it whenever people come to visit. You could also print it on the bottom of your shoes ... for when you are laying back in your chair with your feet on the table ... drinking coffee. smile

cheers

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
You too have inspired me, I'll have it shrunk down to business card size and use it as the background of my business cards.

Or scan it and use it as my email signature!

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Scan it and make it the wallpaper on your monitor.

Chris
SolidWorks 07 4.0/PDMWorks 07
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 10-07-07)
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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I have one somewhere, but I've never hung it up, not even at home.  Never felt the need... and didn't often have a wall suitable for it, anyway.

Now, I have a bad association.  One particular individual of past acquaintance made a point of behaving... like he imagined an engineer behaved.  Diploma on the cubicle wall, always wore a tie, always a conservative tie, wingtip shoes, the whole picture.  Not a bad guy, either, really.  

Just one problem.  He couldn't do the math... or the physics, or the kinematics.  Okay, I guess that's more than one problem.

I wondered what kind of school would graduate a person so, uh, apparently unschooled.  So I looked up the school named on the diploma so prominently displayed.  I got a strong impression that it was a diploma mill, or damn close to it.  

He was at least smart enough to not get caught doing anything stupid, which he achieved by expending much apparent effort while actually not doing anything at all.  This caused me some aggravation, because he was nominally in charge of stuff that I was trying to improve, and while he feigned cooperation, he was in fact just an impediment.  This went unrewarded by his boss, who was later revealed as something of a crook.  I guess they had, uh, detente.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
Another good suggestion Ctopher.

Mike, I hear what you are saying.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?


You earned it.  Display it.

Perhaps not as common in industry, but it is common in the consulting world to display a framed diploma(s) on the wall.  Often the diploma is placed next to a PE license certificate(s) - required by law to be displayed (at least in the states I am licensed in).

Display of one's credentials also provides a visible sense of credibility if one deals with outside customers, the general public, unknowledgeable supervisors, or out of town corporate management.  Then one's performance/actions needs to back up that initial impression.

The question of tackiness would be in how it is presented and one's attitude portrayed by the dislpay.  One can self-promote without being objectionable or pretentious.

My two cents.



  

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Doesn't HR have this kind of information in their files? Why would they be dependent on people putting or not putting their degrees on the wall?

You might as well write your salary on the wall as well so HR will know the saves would not be significant big smile

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

In places I have worked I have taken my cue from my fellows on whether or not to display certificates etc.  I have never displayed my diploma outside of my home (that degree cost a bunch of $), but might consider displaying a copy if it fit in along with what my peers tended to do.  Most certificates I have end up stored neatly in a file for retreival if requested.

Kenat, if you are in managements sights in terms of an upcoming layoff, having a paper target is not likely to afford much protection.  Thankfully it appears you have a human shield (boss) willing to step up for you (to a point).

Regards,

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I don't display mine because then everyone could deduce how old I am : )

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I've never hung my diploma on the wall... but last year I got a certificate of appreciation for spending my entire Christmas holiday working double shifts in the office on an "emergency" project, while nearly everyone who had created the "emergency" was out... so I hung that one on the wall as a reminder that my efforts truly are appreciated.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Kenat, I feel sorry for you when upper management is making decisions based on a piece of paper.

I was thinking you could scan your diploma
scale it down
then print it on the "iron on t-shirt paper".(I dont know the real name)
And make a couple ties with your diploma on it. Especially in tacky colors so people notice, like pink, purple, or old ties form the 60's

Making your tie stick up like Dilbert’s might even help a little bit also.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

As a new graduate many years ago I was lodging in a house in Brighton.  My landlady had her Open University degree proudly mounted on her wall (for non Brits, it was basically a degree in watching late-night 70's TV in those days).  I kept my "real" one in its envelope well out of site.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I'll start of by saying it can be a bit tacky depending on how it's done.

Having said that I proudly display mine, along with my PE license and all fancy forms that say I sent money to the NSPE and ASME.

I do this for myself and no one else.  Back in grade school I was diagnosed with dyslexia.  I spend many years being told about all the great people who had it and what they have accomplished.  Of course they were mostly athletes and musicians.

Had I listened to them I would have most likely gone to a trade school instead of college. (As an aside my Father was a paperhanger for some 40 years so I have a tremendous respect for people in the trades but it just seemed to much like work to me.)

Hear I am, many years later, in charge of millions of company dollars and still in school working on my masters.  I have my degree up to be a reminder of what I have accompished and I always keep an open spot on the wall to display my next accomplishment.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

SomptingGuy: actually OU degrees aren't just about watching TV. People have basically to do a degree course whilst doing, say, a full time job, without the back up of being on a campus. I tip my hat to a good many people who've done that.
(Of course, if it was a degree in something pointless like Media Studies or some such drivel, then you are entirely correct and can ignore my first paragraph.)

"I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go past." Douglas Adams

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I had a boss once that hung his MENSA membership certificate on the wall.  He never impressed me with his knowledge of engineering but he was a hell of a proof reader.  His specialty was editing things that didn't need it.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
epoisses my thoughts exactly, I'm thinking of dropping off a copy of my resume with HR for their file!.

JamesBarlow , yours hits home for me.  I was only diagnosed with dyslexia in my final year at university, I got myself tested after I failed subjects I thought I understood and had to take 7 re-sits.

I'm not saying all of it was the dyslexia, I'm pretty sure my drinking was a factorwinky smile, but it suddenly made sense of a lot of school report cards where I easily got As in technical subjects and scraped a C in English and the like!

I'll think I'll hang it in the cube next to the letter stating I have dyslexiawinky smile.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

In my office, ALL the engineers have their diplomas displayed. We also hang out the certificates from the various state boards for PE licensure.

You earned it, be proud of it.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

put it up.  if it's a matter of losing your job, damn being tacky.  let them feel insecure and they'll get over it.  shoulda went to college if it's that big a deal.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

A star for you swivel! Well said!

V

Mechanical Engineer
"When I am working on a problem, I do not think of beauty, but when I've finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."

- R. Buckminster Fuller

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Where I graduated from, they actually sent me a wallet size diploma also.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Heh, if it is in your CV and employee file, you'd hope the a*****les in HR would read your file and remark on it to management. It is what HR are supposed to do.
If you need to put it on the wall, you have a big problem. But in all probability, in the circumstances, you probably need to not only put it on the wall but have an unveiling ceremony to which you invite management.

By the way, why don't they cull HR and IT then Sales and Marketing and then Engineering last of all?

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?


I have no idea where my cert is after 40 years, but I do have a Fork Lift Truck (Counterbalance) cert on the office wall, as well as some nice copies of old beam engine drawings!


Cheers

Harry

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I have several advanced degrees and certifications. The only one that I have ever bothered to frame and display publicly is my PE license. And the sole reason that license is hanging on my wall is because by law it must be there.

Personally I would rather display what I have learned through the quality of my work.

Maui

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
"By the way, why don't they cull HR and IT then Sales and Marketing and then Engineering last of all?"

Because they are senior management.

In fairness those areas may be hit (hopefully not IT as they're kind of short as it is from previous lay offs) but I'm sure the lay offs wont make sense to the like of me.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Hey 10 million Doctors and Dentists can't be wrong! (or can they?)

Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I'd go with the gut feel. If you think displaying your degree's is a good idean, then go ahead. I treat it more like "office decoration" decisions - do I go with the mountain scene, or the downtown Manhattan scene?

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."   
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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Itsmoked,

Not sure about the dentists but if you look below, then 5 million of the doctors are thick as pig s*%t and therefore you shouldn't believe a word they say.......

PS Ken,

My degree parchment hangs proudly outside the main bathroom in my parent's house and has done since I graduated...... Someday I'll give it the pride of place it deserves, maybe outside the bathroom at my place of work. Then everyone will know that I have a degree and it might help others to remember to wash their hands LOL

Kevin

“It is a mathematical fact that fifty percent of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class." ~Author Unknown

"If two wrongs don't make a right, try three." ~Author Unknown

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
Well I'd decided to do it but...

I left it on the breakfast bar at home and didn't bring it with me - doh.

I won't be home till the weekend now so it'll wait till next week if I'm still employed here!

Thanks to all,

Ken

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Hi KENAT

No I don't think you should hang it up on the wall, I worked at a couple of places were that was done by one or two individuals and I am afraid they lost respect of there colleague's at day one.
In fact people started hanging their cycling proficiency,
25yards swimming certificate's etc they gained at school.
Whilst a degree or any other engineering certificate is a worthwhile qualification to me its an personnel thing and putting it on your C.V. is a must, as it may open doors for you that otherwise would stay shut.
At the end of the day any qualification is just a piece of paper that means you are capable of performing your duties to a certain level, it doesn't mean you do it any better or any worse than someone less or more qualified than yourself.

regards

desertfox

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
desertfox, that's pretty much my opinion, and I would have been one of the people posting their cycling proficiency certs (if I'd got it).

It was more a case of hanging it in a dig at management/HR for not realizing I had a degree.  It's not like I kept it a secret, it's there on my resume/CV in black and white.

However, maybe having another week to contemplate whether to make a dig at management is a good idea.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I dont think it is tacky but putting EIT after your name is tacky  :).

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Put the PE license up on the wall and sign your exterior documents with PE after your name, (some require seals also).  This is mandated in some states and standard in most offices.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
civilperson, I'm exempt mechanical, PE doesn't really come into it.  

Also due to my education being in the UK it's difficult/timeconsuming/expensive to get my PE so I don't have it and at this time I'm not actively pursuing it.

I'd quite like to get it in the future though as related in previous posts of mine.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

This is interesting, in all the places I have worked (UK based) no one hangs their degree, CEng certificate on the wall.  I have always thought this is to do with the restrained British psyche, such as not blowing your own trumpet.  Maybe we are too trusting and take people at their word when they say they have a degree?

However, the way the politically correct brigade are going over here, I expect if you did put it up HR would tell you to take it down.  It may be deemed offensive to someone with less qualifications than you.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

What about all those certificates from SAE for excellence in oral skills (or equivalent)?  I'm going to dig out my cycling proficiency and 25 Yards front crawl certificates tonight.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I hear you, Ussuri.

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

You know, it's funny, I have a shelf dedicated to just stuff I get from my company, like acheivment awards, plaqes for completion of programs, and certificats from different educational programs, so why can't you put up your degree?  It is somthing you have achived and actully took you four years to get.  Mine is tucked into a portfolio that I take to job interviews and is the first thing I show to the interviewer.  I guess it is because everybody that I work with has a degree so why display it if everybody has one.  

For the OP, I would think that HR knows that you have your degree, if not, they are not doing their job.  When lay off comes around, it is usally who knows who, who is pissing me off, and who are the dead wood that they get rid of.  Degree or no degree, if you don't have a reason to stay, there is an email pink slip waiting for the unlucky.

Good luck!

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Display your PE on the wall, and use ",PE" after your name on calling cards. Your degrees will be implied by the PE ref.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
So just to clarify.

Although I grew up and got my degree in the UK I'm now in the US.

Twoballane - Apparantly HR didn't know, that's pretty much the point of the post.  Also being UK I got my bachelors in just under 3 years, don't know what takes you all so long this side of the pond winky smile.  I agree that I suspect the degree is a minor issue and that the never ending popularity contest is the real decider.

I DONT HAVE PE, as said before I'm in exempt industry and due to my education/early career experience being in the UK it's not straight forward to get my PE.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I think a lot of this will depend on your work environment - in our area, where any one of us could be meeting with a customer in our offices, we are encouraged to have diplomas and certificates on the walls.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

This must be highly variable from industry to industry.  Around here most people have their degrees and their licenses up on their walls (though I don't believe there's any requirement to display either one).  One of our better managers has his master's degree, his license, and his certificate for eating a 72-ounce steak.  I just have my license, but only because I never got around to putting up the degrees and now I don't have the wall space for them in my cube because I've filled it with other crap.

Hg

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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

HgTX ... Sounds like you need a Digital Picture Frame set to slide show mode.

cheers

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

It’s not so much that I think it is tacky to hang diplomas, certificates, etc.... as it is entertaining to poke fun of the “kind” of folks who do so…

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Star to Limey, Those digi pic frames things are so sweet.
thumbsup2
I could put my 6th grade "Good Citizen" award on the wall!

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

senselessticker--but it's only material for poking fun with if you think it's tacky.

Hg

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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I display my graduate certificate along with my PE certificates.

I earned them, I appreciate them, more over respect them, so I display them.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Within the industry and general work environment I'm in... most perceive the "cert hanger's" as being in the same stereotype as the "Micheal Scott's" of the world...

It's completely unfair to make such assumptions of course, but there IS some truth to it...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Hey, where abouts in the States?
When I visited an office in the Midland Odessa area, all the engineer had on his wall were dead animal's heads complete with antlers.
I'd guess HR would get that message pretty clear and take care he didn't add some exhibits of the two legged HR variety.

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I think I'll start displaying my;

Marriage certificate to help explain why I drink.
Kids birth certificates to explain why I have grey hair ... and drink.
Grandkids birth certificates to explain why I'm so happy, but always tired.
Birth certificate ... just to prove I really do have a father.

cheers

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Heck, I went to a decent school and took a tough program, why shouldn't I feel proud.  I don't hang it for others to see, I hang it for myself.
The P.Eng also took quite some time and effort so again, no reason to be proud of it.

-
Aercoustics.com

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I think I'll start displaying my:

Birth certificate ... just to prove I am a US citizen.
bigsmile

Chris
SolidWorks 07 4.0/PDMWorks 07
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 10-07-07)
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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

ctopher - the sad thing is: with the way things are going in the U.S.... being a U.S. citizen may actually work against you if you are trying to keep your job...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I never put EIT after my name.

but is it tacky to put

<your name>, EIT

as the heading of your /resume/, when applying for jobs that are looking for an EIT

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

rwj2005,

EIT would be appropriate on a resume in my opinion as it relates to the progression of your professional experience.  You would also be showing that you satisfy the advertised requirement for an EIT as needed to fulfill the position.  Years down the road if you have not gone on to attain your PE, then I would think about dropping the EIT from a resume as it would be unlikely that you would be looking/working at positions outside the industrial exemption arena.

Regards,

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I think the movie is, "Garden State," where there is a scene in a doctor's office with the walls so covered with framed diplomas and certificates that there are a couple on the ceiling.    

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

When I graduated I put my degrees in a box in my room at my parents house. When I went back a few years later they were framed and one the wall. I never thought much of framing them but since my Mom did it I have hung them in my house since.

I may soon be moving into sales so I will definitly display my degree and my PE. Even though my PE has nothing to do with sales, it will be good for my clients to see that I have some cedentials behind me. This on its own does not make me good or bad at what I do but it certainly can't hurt.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

GSTeng's post certainly helps to reinforce my point about the "kind" of people who will hang their degrees/certs.  LOL.. engineers who become salesmen is a GREAT example!!!  j/k GSTeng... I always give my engineer turned salesmen friends a hard time about "selling out" and becoming a salesman.  They, in turn, laugh all the way to the bank...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I should take mine to Kinkos and have it increased to a poster-sized monstrosity. I wouldn't say it would be as tackey as it is egotistical.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
Well, we have a scanner and a colour plotter so, with a little effort I could blow it up to at least E size!

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

And so you should.

Make up a pad of them and use them for desk blotters.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
Desk Blotters, I like it Mike.

Star for giving me a chuckle this fine morning.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

KENAT,

I recall that you had to go through a similar downsizing process described in other threads, where you picked up the checker's responsibilities on top of your original job.

Now there's another round of layoffs?  Maybe you should be hanging your resignation notice on the wall.

LewTam Inc.
Petrophysicist, Leading Hand, Natural Horseman, Prickle Farmer, Crack Shot, Venerable Yogi.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

In my country it is not appropriate to hang any certificates or diplomas on the wall. If one does so, most of other colleagues will not take him in serious anymore. In my company from 7 engineers 3 are MSEE and 4 others are BSEE who just study their MS's. But nobody is going to take this as something exceptional.

According to me answer on the question "To hang or not to hang" (please Shakespeare to pardon me) should be according to your society mentality and finally according your company policy. If it is acceptable to display such things - display them, you have nothing to shame. If it is not - better not to display but again you have nothing to shame. In both cases your degree is your achievement.

I remember when 20 years ago started my career my Head of Department had table with "Eng. Petrov" under his doorbell - and he really deserved it! But the second person with "Eng. ..." under doorbell was actually a mistake of educational system. Well, now he works for Parson's, but ... blushing      

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RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
lewtam, your memory is correct and I'm looking.

Well I made 2 copies of my degree cert.  Gave one to a bemused looking HR rep a few days after lay-offs and told here that I understood my file didnt' show me having a degree so here was one for my file.

The other is put up in a fairly inconspicuous position that 90% of people will never see.  

I'll probably take it down once my point is made as I agree with those who doubt it's appropriate.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Not to change the subject, but I believe it relates. Is putting P.E. (Professional Engineer) after your name considered tacky also? It is my companies policy to do this, so I am just wondering about everyones thoughts.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

(OP)
Maybe a separate thread but, in a non 'exempt' area of industry I'd think putting PE after your name was a very good idea, if not mandatory in some circumstances.

KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

IMHO, adding P.E. after you name isn't tacky in business situations or correspondence.  Engineers worry about getting just recognition.  Adding P.E. helps.

However, in non-work situations, I wouldn't use P.E.  It even irks me greatly when doctors want to be called Doctor outside their office, especially when they correct people to call them Doctor.  There is only one Doctor - Doctor Who!

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

I say put it up.  What else are you going to do with it?  Hang it up at home?  Leave it in a box in the attic?  Might as well put it where it might be of some use.

Not everyone can tell you're a good engineer just by looking at you.  Some may not have the expertise to judge.  Credentials help satisify people that you really can do the job.  It helps build their confidence and trust in you.  If you have the credentials, then it's probably a disservice to yourself and them not to show them.

That said, mine is sitting in a box in the attic.

-b

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

You could lean it against something as not to be as tacky as hanging it on the wall.

just have it placed so it looks like you dont care about it, but people can still see it. Like half buried under paperwork.

Or you could make sure its will sealed in plastic or glass and use it to set your coffee cup on.

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

Kenat:
If the decision factor for the lay-off is the having/not having a degree, then don't say nothing, wait until they fire you and then sue the bas***ds for unlawful dismissal. Ask millions of $$$ and retire.

Regarding my degree, I'm pretty sure that I saw it in one of my appartment office drawers some years ago... I hope that I don't need to hang it, it is not so pretty and the incompetent that typed it, made it with typo, as far as I remember...

RE: Is having degree certificate mounted on the wall tacky?

You could make a mouse pad out of it...

Take care & have fun!

Kevin
"Hell, there are no rules here -- we're trying to accomplish something." - Thomas A. Edison

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