diesel fuel additives... efficiency?
diesel fuel additives... efficiency?
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Hey Everyone I am new here but i have question for ya...
I have heard about a diesel additive that is supposed to "improve the combustion process and reduce friction, increase fuel economy while reducing emissions and engine wear".
its produced by inviro fuels or something like that.
anyone use it?
any info on it?
thnx
ST
I have heard about a diesel additive that is supposed to "improve the combustion process and reduce friction, increase fuel economy while reducing emissions and engine wear".
its produced by inviro fuels or something like that.
anyone use it?
any info on it?
thnx
ST





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Cetane index improvers improve combustion and reduce smoke, no real impact on fuel consumption.
We do recommend anti-microbal additives for users with large tanks, low fuel turn-around, or purchase of fuel from "discount" sources.
We do recommend and use oxidation inhibitors for standby generation fuel systems, and large storage tanks with low turn-over rates.
A large percentage of trucks we get here with fuel milage complaints have just missed the obvious. Air filters usually top the list, wrong lube oil, low tire pressure, added air restrictions, to many "extras" on board (tire chains, tools, parts, etc), missing or damaged body pieces.
A couple of fleets have shown measurable improvement by going to 100% synthetic lubes in the drive trains.
On top of price of fuel going up, new added emissions regulations have had a noticable impact on fuel consumption, and the number of companies with claims of "magic in a bottle" are definately on the rise.
Hope that helps.
RE: diesel fuel additives... efficiency?
Find the search button and use it. This topic has been discussed exhaustively in this forum.
rmw
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I searched for envirofuels on this forum and got nothing. I looked into it further and it is the one that dickon17 says it is. This company is making millions off bnsf but the rail company stated that it seen no positive gains. did you know that bnsf used 1.2% of usa's diesel fuel last year? Has anyone specifically used Envirofuels diesel fuel catalyzer?
st
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rmw
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Not every additive is "snake oil", but without solid test data in a broad range of applications, most aftermarket fuel additives sold, especially in the US, don't usually live up to the claims made. Proof of performance improvement is usually difficult quantify, you may pour a bottle of magic juice into a tank and get a short term gain, or the benefits may be long term from such actions as cleaning/deposit removal. But how is it affecting the service life of components, combustion temperatures, or emissions?
When Spacetrukin started this thread, he repeated a series of claims that are basically counter to most combustion basics. If it improves fuel comsumption, it likely lowers particulates and CO, but increases NOx. How does a product that improves combustion also improve lubrication? Just about anything that reduces surface friction has poor combustion properties.
Are there additives that do what they claim? Absolutely. Are there additive marketers overstating claims on some products? Absolutely. So look at the claims, look at the available test data (if any), and make an informed decision. But right now the major engine manufacturers are facing a BIG problem, the required reductions in emissions have had a measurable negative affect on fuel consumption, so if there was a way to make emissions and fuel consumption we would be hearing about it, because no one in our business likes getting the current customer complaints. This is a ripe environment for those with claims of magic to sell a lot of product with no real possiblity of actual improvement.
Sorry to have this sound like a rant. This morning we had a group of trucking customers in discussing this very issue, and later today we will be discussing this with a group of marine engine customers. We have machinery customers required to reduce visable emissions from job sites, and the additive marketers are out in full force with lots of claims, and to date, no real solutions except in a few cases.
Hope that helps.
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The technology already exists to produce cost effective fuel saving additives which also significantly reduce emissions. Will this technology ever make it into widespread use? Don’t hold your breath.
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Light-Duty Vehicle Federal Test Procedure-75 (FTP-75)
40 CFR Part 86, Subpart B (Gasoline and Diesel fueled)
Heavy-Duty Diesel Engine Federal Test Procedure (FTP heavy duty) 40 CFR Part 86 Subpart N, (Diesel, Alcohol, and Gaseous-fueled)
Unfortunately, inter-agency and federal/state rivalry, together with specialty fuels for certain areas, has created a situation where there is no single test that is formally recognized by all of the critical regulatory agencies.
These tests are also incredibly expensive, typically $4 million and 18 months just to verify one specific engine family on one type of fuel for an on-road application for just one agency. To legally allow widespread use for any specific fuel additive, the testing costs would approach $512 million and take 192 years to cover all of the possible combinations.
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And we thought we had "issues" here in the EU?
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The very best way to get widespread market penetration is to lobby the legislature to write a law forcing the oil companies to add the “product” to all their fuels (as was done with MTBE). When such huge amounts of money can be made by using this tactic, why worry about a few millions of dollars in testing costs to prove emissions benefits.
The fuel market is totally dominated by the large oil companies who can aggressively lobby for any threatening technology to forever undergo series after series of expensive and time consuming tests. This tactic works quite well.
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Point of fact about the MTBE fiasco is the legislation only specified that fuel would have to be oxygenated, as I recall, to reduce ground level ozone- the EPA didn't mandate a carrier. MTBE had a cost advantage as well as no consumer connection to the 'gasahol' fiasco of the late 70's and was the preferred additive. When it started showing up in groundwater due to leaking underground storage tanks (usually along with benzene, toluene and ethylbenzene which surprisingly no one seemed as concerned about), it was banned leaving ethanol as the preferred and currently politically advantageous replacement because it's 'renewable', but supposedly this has driven the price of milk and beef up of late.