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Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

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Chariot with scenes from the life of the Greek hero Achilles
Etruscan, Archaic, 2nd quarter of the 6th century B.C.
Found near Monteleone di Spoleto in 1902
Bronze inlaid with ivory; total height: 51 5/8 in. (131.1 cm); length of pole: 82 1/4 in. (208.9 cm)
The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Rogers Fund, 1903 (03.23.1)
http://www.metmuseum.org/special/greek_roman/viewone.asp?item=26&view=l

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Why does the axle poke so far out?

It's not a trick question.

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RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

To get sufficient stiffness in the bearings to prevent undesired changes in camber and toe angle.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)


The engine mount look like they'll take quite a variety of power units.

Bill

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Bill, I agree, but they are strictly limited to a 2 horse power rating.

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RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)


I see. Perhaps they could be boosted somehow?

Avenues for investigation:

- higher calorific value fuels
- improving the coeff of friction between the power units and the road
- afterburning the increased waste gasses as a result of the higher cal value fuels
- a sharp stick

Bill

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

(OP)
Maybe optional wide rims for soft terrain?

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

I'm sure many of you have seen this before - the not entirely true, but not entirely false story that links modern railroad track gauge to Roman chariots.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

And another useless but interesting piece of trivia:

The Japanese word for rail car is transliterated as "sharyo" shar-y-o, which is pronounced remarkably similarly to chariot.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

I would hate to think where the air would have to be blown into to make these forced induction... sad

Dan - Owner
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RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

If more torque were necessary do you think that the 2 horse power drive attachement could be modified to accpet a 2 ox power drive?

Nick
I love materials science!

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Just to think that: what we need today they had a long time ago. A completely "Green", non-polluting, environmentally friendly, low-carbon footprint, low-impact, and pure organic mode of transportation made from 100% recyclable materials. And, your not dependent on foreign oil!

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

@Comco:

No air conditioning, you're positioned right behind the power plant's exhaust, "fueling" took an hour in a grass field, no theft deterrent, and you couldn't leave it in the driveway unattended for months on end.

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RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Quote:

Why does the axle poke so far out?

It's not a trick question.
Thinking the same thing. I figured either: a) the track width is adjustable for different uses, or b) someone cleaning it a thousand or two years ago put them back on the wrong way and changed history.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Regarding the axles.  My guess is this allows for a soldier to stand with a foot on each side of the wheel.  This way 3 people can be carried.  

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

The axle doesnt spin, the wheel spins on the axle, and likely a bronze bush lubricated with animal based solids lubricant.

In highly aggressive driving conditions, it would be advantageous to attach the ancient equivalent of the spinner hubcap to the axle, if they were attached to the wheel when utilized in heavy traffic may cause undesireable effects on the users vehicle, as opposed to the defeding vehicle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinner_(wheel)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot_tactics

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

In some version of close quarters racing (and battles as well) the trick was to get your chariot along side that of the opposition so that the axle was slightly ahead or behind the axle of the other chariot.

A quick side ways move pushed the axle of one chariot into the wheel spokes of the other thus damaging the wheel and putting the opposition out of the running.

This assumes the opposition had not also thought of the same trick.

Bodacia (spelling?) was reputed to have had long blades fitted to the revolving hubs of her chariot to scythe through the rampaging hordes of the attackers.

Pete.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

If you think the powerplant is non- polluting, you're a city kid.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Looks like a two track system still in use today.  Sometimes you want the wheels in the horses track (ie. on grass), sometimes (as in mud) you don't.  With the same end pins, all you need to do is flip the wheels on the axle spacer.

There are some zoomable pix at the Met muzeum.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

I thought that the shaft extensions may be used to install the 4 HP option.
Re the oxen upgrade; That may exchange draw bar pull for velocity with the same or reduced HP.
Anyone have a current Hp to Op conversion chart?
Yours
Bill

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

Automobiles were originally promoted as a clean alternative to the pollution then poisoning the cities.  Just think what it would be like if every car was replaced by 2 horses.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

I think Peter7307 is right, at least that's what they did in the movies.

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

kenvlach- dang thats what I was thinking of. I need to get with this youtube stuff....

RE: Two-horspower collector's item (an automotive forerunner)

The 2 horse power was  improved by using higher calorific value fuel, as mentioned by WGJ. However, the tricky driver has had another tool to improve the instant performance by inserting a brocken red hot chilly in the exhaust opening(s).
100% guaranteed performance enhancer.

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