valve body thread leak
valve body thread leak
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I have a few brass bodied valves with threaded inlet connections. The inlet connections are leaking.
The application where they're used requires them to hold pressures of 0-300 psig at temperatures ranging from ambient to -200F.
I have not been able to confirm with the plant operators whether or not any sealant was used on the threads. I expect that none was used. Because of the outlet connection needed, only certain positions (every 90 degrees) can be acheived for tightening down the valve body.
The knee-jerk solution is to tape the threads with teflon tape or similar material, but I've come across a few cautionary tales about tapes and puttys. Apparently, typical white teflon tape will creep and squish out over time. eventually it will not provide a good seal. (or so the story goes)
I'm also concerned that because the coefficient of thermal expansion is so much greater for the teflon than either the brass valve body and 304L pipe. It might shrink more than the metals and cause leakage to be worse.
Can anyone provide examples of similar situations, and how it was dealt with? What (if any) sealing materials might be able to alleviate this problem?
The application where they're used requires them to hold pressures of 0-300 psig at temperatures ranging from ambient to -200F.
I have not been able to confirm with the plant operators whether or not any sealant was used on the threads. I expect that none was used. Because of the outlet connection needed, only certain positions (every 90 degrees) can be acheived for tightening down the valve body.
The knee-jerk solution is to tape the threads with teflon tape or similar material, but I've come across a few cautionary tales about tapes and puttys. Apparently, typical white teflon tape will creep and squish out over time. eventually it will not provide a good seal. (or so the story goes)
I'm also concerned that because the coefficient of thermal expansion is so much greater for the teflon than either the brass valve body and 304L pipe. It might shrink more than the metals and cause leakage to be worse.
Can anyone provide examples of similar situations, and how it was dealt with? What (if any) sealing materials might be able to alleviate this problem?





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RE: valve body thread leak
I got out of aerospace and have now worked on the cryogenic side of the industrial gas business for 12 years. Here, we use pipe threaded joints almost exclusively. I've had better success with pipe thread than the straight threads. I'd never go back. In fact, some of the equipment I design has to go onto launch facilities at Cape Canaveral, Kennedy and Vandenburg, but we've always taken exception to the rule that says no pipe thread.
Even at 6000 psi and -452 F, pipe threads work much better than anything else I've used. The threads must be clean and well formed, 3 wraps of Teflon tape (keep it off the first male thread so it doesn't get into your flow stream), and generally some halocarbon grease on top of that, and you shouldn't have any problem. When the thread is made up, it sqeezes out the Teflon tape to the point it's all but invisible, it's so thin. Because it's such a thin film, there really isn't any concern about differential thermal contraction of the Teflon, nor of it cold flowing. There's just not enough left to move around. You might be just a tiny bit concerned about the stainless pipe and brass body, but your installation sounds a lot less demanding than some of the ones I've seen and I've had lots of good experience with this simple sealing technique.
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RE: valve body thread leak
You seem to have a lot of experience with cryogenic applications and I have a question (for you or anyone else in this forum) about the pressure relief hole in a ball valve. My understanding was that the pressure relief hole should be in the stem slot (to relieve pressure between the seats to the ball cavity) and on the upstream side of the ball to relieve pressure to the process. However, I was talking to someone in the "fracking" industry where trucks put liquid nitrogen in to the wells to extract oil. His understanding was that the hole should be on the downstream side so that when the trucks are traveling, any liquid that was in the ball cavity could be released to the atmosphere.
RE: valve body thread leak
Trunnion ball valves on the other hand, have a seat seal on the upstream side, so I would expect them to have a hole in the downstream side, though I believe valves can also be designed without the hole, and they rely on one or the other un-loaded seats being the leak path. I can't remember ever using a trunion style ball valve in cryogenic service though.
RE: valve body thread leak
The relief valves I discussed were installed incorrectly. The valve has a bushing at its inlet (part of the valve design, not mine) which is in turn threaded into the main valve body. Some brilliant person likely screwed the valve body down too tight and bungled up the seal between the body and the bushing. It is also possible that after doing so, the threads were backed off to align the valve at the correct 90 degree increment.
RE: valve body thread leak
Thanks for the update.