Rotating Skyscraper in Dubai
Rotating Skyscraper in Dubai
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Structural fellows,
You may have heard the news of rotating skyscraper in Dubai, the world first dynamic architecture. See from the link:
http://www.dynamicarchitecture.net/
What do you think? What would be the challenge in stucture design?
You may have heard the news of rotating skyscraper in Dubai, the world first dynamic architecture. See from the link:
http://www.dynamicarchitecture.net/
What do you think? What would be the challenge in stucture design?






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Why does Dubai need such a structure ?
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Seems they found an architect with as big an ego as their pocketbooks.
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1. buy existing skyscraper
2. add alcohol
3. repeat step 2.
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The rotating building poses unique problems that will not be experienced except in some seimic solutions.
If you do work there, you better be ready for a fast track, irregular work and ability to respond to problems and changes quickly.
The ability to solve problems seems to overshadow the cost IF the scedule is not compromised. Pride is important and will be paid for.
The residential development off shore is truely amazing.
If you have a chance, take a look at the timeline of construction of Dubai for the past 5 or 10 years. There is a slide show that I will try to find. I have the PPT presentation that I can post once I find out how to.
Dick
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I expect that the residents will get seasick every time there is a big wind due to the lateral translation and rotation combined.
This will be like designing a new type of jetplane but without the same amount of lead time. I wouldnt touch it with a 10'(3.05m) pole.
csd
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Don Phillips
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there are a number like that throughout the world, I think the first is that the whole building moves.
csd
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Irwin P. Fletcher LLC has got the design contract for the Dubai tower. From what I understand, the design will heavily rely on ball bearings.
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studio was always in the sun during the day and then
returned to its morning positon overnight.
This was a ball bearing design. I would expect that
a large building would require a roller bearing and
possibly a three roller type or a combined ball/roller
type bearing. Fancy plumbing arrangement as you can
guess.
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It will be interesting to see if the building is actually built.
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How plumbing works (and drainage) is something I wonder, also the calculation of seismic load.
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Thus, psychological studies were conducted at the University of Washington to determine the effects of motion on people's state of mind. The test consisted of people coming to a "doctor's office" for what they thought was a free medical check-up. However, the "MD" was actually a PsyD, Psychologist, and the "office" was on a shake-table.. or sway-table as it were. The sways began shortly into the "check-up", and got progressively larger.
The Psychologist documented, among other things, the time (a) when the subject showed a physical reaction (as small as a shift of the eyes), (b) when the subject showed signs of real disturbance, (c) when the subject voiced their concerns to the PsyD, and (d) when the subject ran out of the room.
Awesome.
The Twirling Tower folks probably did a similar study for tall building, plus a study of other building with rotatin resturants and what not. The building sounds like a pretty good idea to me. And if a few floors somehow stop moving, at least it's not like a draw bridge that got stuck in an upright position.
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utilities-
each unit has a rechargable power cell that connects in service position for your household electricity and mechanical not including the turning of the unit.
each unit has a septic tank that connects to the main structure and flushes in service position.
each unit has a water tank that refills in service position.
operations-
rotation and service position cycle controlled by maintenance, but they take requests.
i'll take my fees in the form of barrels of light crude, thank you.
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I suspect that there has been some thought given those systems and engineers are already designing.
The question is how would you handle a structural system compatible with the rotational requirement (a given) and work with the mechanical systems. Electrical should not be much of a problem since has been done before.
The owners and developers in that part of the world want the bigest and the best and recognize that the engineering cost is not a barrier. The biggest problem may be getting enough of the skilled tradespeople. There will probably be a 50 to 100% cost over-run, but it may have been budgeted already.
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- Labyrinth seals are used on turbine shaft hubs, but...these leak a bit at all times; the "spill" usually captured and redirected to another part that could use a little compressor bleed air for cooling too. Not sure the concept would be very much fun for sewage...unless the leak path was purged/vented.
- More likely is a setup like that used in the Space Needle (Seattle World's Fair, 1962), the outer ring of the restaraunt rotates, all services (kitchens, restrooms, elevators) are located in the central, non-rotating core. I think only (low-voltage?) power for lighting passes the rotating joint.