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Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?
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Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

(OP)
I’m soon to separating from the Air Force with a Top Secret security clearance. My career field was not engineering, so I’ll be looking for a job that requires zero years of experience. My question is how much further ahead does this put me compared to others applying for the same job? Is having a clearance highly desirable, or is it just one more thing to put on my resume.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?


If you have any idea about the type of company/job/location that would interest you, I suggest you phone the personal department directly and ask...

Only a potential employer would actually know if your total qualifications, including security clearance, is of interest for vacant jobs, and only you would know if this job was of interest to you.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

If James Bond came looking for a job then I don't think his clearance would give him any increased standing at all, though background experience in mixing martinis might be of use for working behing a bar.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

If you work for a defence contractor, the clearance, as well as your experience in the Air Force culture, would come in handy.  Double dipping, I think it is called.

If you are looking for an engineering job and have had no applicable experience after a long time in the service, you may be in for a long search.  But that all depends on other qualities you may possess.

 

 

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

All up it would have taken me about a year to get security clearance. The lack of it was merely annoying.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Having the clearance would naturally be desireable to an employer/position that requires one.  For positions not requiring a clearance, having one has little bearing.  I would note it on your resume perhaps a bit more prevalently for prospective positions that utilize security clearances and "mention" it for other positions.

You indicate that you have essentially 0 experience.  Examine your career and put appropriate/related work experience(s) and education first and foremost in your resume.  There is likely to be something of use.

Be aware that a cultural change is about to take place for you as you transition out of military life especially if you have been in for a significant time.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Assuming you're in the US I'd say having the clearance could be very useful if you want to work in the defence/aerospace field.

In my part of the US having the clearance would be especially handy since most of the good jobs are in the defence/aerospace field.

So if you're applying for a job which requires clearance you'll have a big advantage over someone without a clearance but with otherwise similar qualifications.

I've been turned down/unable to apply for multiple jobs because I'm not yet elligable for a clearance.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

(OP)
I’ve only been out of college for 3yrs. I got my B.S. in ’04 and went directly into the Air Force. My plan was to get engineering experience in the AF and then find a civilian job. I ended up in a non-technical career field where my peers in the same position as me have degrees in economics, geology, political science, and any other degree you can think of.

All my commanders keep telling me that my clearance is some kind of golden ticket to a good well paying job. My dilemma is if I should look for a job that I would enjoy, that requires a clearance? Or should I just find a job that I think I would enjoy doing?

Obviously the clearance gives me more options, I’m just trying to decide if I should limit my job search to only those that require a clearance.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Just find a job you enjoy.  Why do something you don't like just because you happen to be well-equipped to do it?

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Depending on the company you land in, the clearance may mean nothing.  What it does illustrate however, if that you have shown that you can be trusted with sensitive information, and there are no skeletons in your closet.  I doubt listing a clearance on a resume would be looked at as a negative.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

As to the OP, definitely go for something you think you'll enjoy.  

However, the clearance can probably be really useful, I live near China Lake and (supposedly) they're crying out for people with or eligible for clearance.  For some reason many of the otherwise eligible personnel don't want to live in a one horse town in the middle of the Mojave Desert - imagine!!

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

An active TS clearance would be a boon to certain defense contractors.  It can take up to a year to get a TS clearance, so you could actually start a job and be productive from day 1.  That would apply to engineering as well as program management jobs.

So, it really boils down to what you really want to do.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

(OP)
The fact that I have a clearance is no secret. There are over 180 people in my unit that do the same job that I do and we all have clearances. Anyone who knows anything will know that I have a clearance when I tell them what my job is.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Way back when, I was looking for employment and contacted one of the aerospace companies.  There was some particular security clearance they needed that took 6 months or a year to get.  They were hiring practically any breathing person with that clearance, and not interested in anybody that didn't have it, regardless of qualifications otherwise.  So I'd say if you get in the right place at the right time, it's potentially very valuable.  How often that is, I don't know.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

When I worked at LM, I once heard it cost around $20K per person for a company go through the clearance process.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

As mentioned, the clearance is valuable for certain companies in that it saves time and money on the company's part as well as reducing the potential risk that you'd be ineligible.

However, unless you've got the skill set that they're looking for, it's basically useless.

If you're going after entry-level engineering jobs, though, I think you'll do very well because you're a proven commodity coming out of the military and you do have the clearance. As an entry-level person, they're not expecting you to have skills beyond those common to all the BSc holders.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Usually, when a TS program gets started, there's a lack of bodies, so a willing body is sometimes worth more than the promise of the correct body a year later.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

I was in the AF for 5 years as an engineer, and got out in 2005.

What career field did they put you in?  Regardless, I wouldn't wory about not having any engineering experience.  Being in an "engineering" job in the Air Force really doesn't give you any "engineering" expereince anyway.  Most of the guys I knew who were in "engineering" jobs were more like program managers, and rarely used their hard core engineering skills.

As far as the clearance goes, basically all that does is makes you eligible for more jobs.  There's tons of jobs out there, both working directly for the government (as a GS) and working for governemnt contractors, that require that you have a security clearance, and you can't even apply for them if you don't have the clearance.  There's several differnt sites out there dedicated to recruiting cleared personnel, one of them is ClearanceJobs, I think.

The important thing to remember about a clearance is that it does expire.  If you're not in a job that requires your clearance for more than two years (I'm not sure if its exaclty that time amount, but I think that's close), thenyour clearance goes away.  And once its gone, its basccially like starting all over if you need to get it again.

So, bottom line, check out the jobs that interest you.  Having the clearance makes you eligible for more jobs, so check all of them out.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

(OP)
I’m a Minuteman III ICBM Operator, or maybe I should was, since I pulled my last alert a week ago. I was part of an Operational Exchange program where engineers get to go be weapon system operators for their first tour. Its supposed to help me design better systems, but I found out its just a scam to get engineers to stay in longer.

I did benefit from the experience though, since now I have a much better understanding of how to think like an end user. I also learned from engineers that visited my capsule that some of the systems I have come to despise are not totally their fault. They had to work inside the box they were given.  

Sounds like my clearance gives me more jobs to apply for, however getting hired really depends on what qualifications I have to offer.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

SGRIM,

You might ask the moderator to remove the first few words of your last post.  I'm not as paranoid as some but this isn't probably the kind of thing you want to post on a website.  I've known people who 'worked behind the wire' as they call it in the UK and they were always very discreet and said little about what they did.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Yeah, basically, the clearance just opens more jobs to you.  Also many of those jobs that require a clearance pay more than a similar job without the clearance (sometimes much more), so that's something to keep in mind.

If you're looking for adventure, there also seems to be lots of overseas jobs with govt contractors (L3, E,G,& G, Raytheon, etc) that require a clearance.  I've seen several jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places.  No necessarily hardcore Aerospace Engineering jobs, but more like they need someone with a clearance and some military experience to do a job.

Operational Exchange--Ha!  I knew several people who did that.  I even knew a few who were never even told that they were a part of it, until it came time for their next assignment.  One guy was an Intelligence officer.  He LOVED being an intel officer.  He lived, ate, and breathed being an intel officer.  When it came time for his next assignment, he had it all planned out where he wanted his next intel assignment to be, and the personnel center came back and said "Oh, no, you're part of this first-term career broadening program.  Now you have to go to your "normal" career field as a maintainer."  That guy was not happy.

How is it a scam to get engineers to stay in longer?

Regardless, I knew of a guy in almost your exact situation.  He had an EE degree, and did 4 or 5 years in missiles.  He got out, and got a job down in Albuquerque NM with Boeing, doming some sort of EE work.  So it can be done.

Do you have any thoughts as to what kind of industry you’d like to work in, or what kind of work you’d like to do?

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

(OP)
I was first led to believe that the OPEX program was supposed to give engineers a better understanding of how the operational world works. It does this, but that’s not why they created the program. I later discovered that it is really just made to try to keep people from doing their 4yrs and punching. I guess too many engineers were doing their 4yrs and then getting hired by the civilian contractors they work with. The AF figures if you do 4-5yrs in an Ops tour, then an engineering job, you’re already in 8-9yrs so why not go ahead and stay in for 20.

I’m not really sure what industry I want to work in. Somebody on another forum recommended Orbital. They do a lot of spacelift and satellite stuff. I think my experience in the Space and Missile community would also lend itself to a company like that.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

If I saw on your resume TS clearance, I'd give you some consideration as being reliable, Nice.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Orbital would be cool.  SpaceX is also hiring, if you are interested in being part of a "New Space" kind of program.  There the ones who are trying to build a cheaper booster to compete with Lockheed and Boeing.

If you have a certain area of the country you want to be in, that can narrow down your choices quite a bit.  If you want to work in So. Cal, or in the Southwest somewhere, there's tons of opportunities.  If you want to be in the Midwest, your opportunites are quite a bit more limited for Aerospace stuff.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Having been in the same situation as you about 21 years ago, let me share with you my opinion.

If you are applying for jobs that require a clearance or at least at a company that does need cleared personnel, then by all means list it on your resume.

If you are applying for a position at a company that has no use for a clearance, then don't list it and don't mention it. If you are interviewed by a company that has no need for clearances, the chances are good that your clearance status will work against you. You may be looked at with suspicion (as bassackwards as that sounds) or you may be interviewed by someone who feels that you have more of a credential than he/she does and you will then become their competition (interviewers, who are themselves employees, hate potential rivals).

When I was in the military, I heard the same mantra about your "high value" to employers because of your high clearance. Funny thing is, all those people were still in the military and didn't know the proverbial #$%& from shineola about the civilian work world.

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Even though you currently have a high level security clearance, it will not "transfer" with you.  So you will still have to go through whatever clearance process your new company has; which will take time.  Additionally, often-times the delays in processing clearances have nothing to do with a particular individual and a lot to do with sheer number of requests.

Currently having a security clearance does give prospective employers a "warm fuzzy" that you will be able to get a clearance eventually, so it's worth mentioning, but I wouldn't consider it a major selling point.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

That sounds different than what our company experiences.  New hires with existing clearances usually get their old one "transferred" in relatively short order.

Those without previous clearance take major chunks of a year to get a clearance.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

If your clearance was granted by Dept of Securtiy Service, then your good in the defense industrie.  What I have seen is that if a program needs people with that clearance by next month and you have it, most likey you will get hired with no experince.  Because one, Top Secret is very tedious to get and will take a year to get, program managers can't wait that long.  Second, the job it self can be very simple that a 0 experince can do it.  The security clearance do's not indicate the level of dificulty of the job just the level of need to know.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Someone needs to make the coffee & photocopies even on TS projects!

RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

Will you retain your clearance after leaving the military?

I have heard that they lapse when you leave.

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RE: Security clearanceàwhatÆs it worth?

I saw the OP, but didn't read the responses.

So much Government work is outsourced to private contractors now a days that I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a position similar to your military one with a civilian contractor at much better pay.

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