What are you doing with your waste water?
What are you doing with your waste water?
(OP)
What method do you use at your chemical plants to dispose of your waste water? Waste water being water that contains solvents as well as some solids? Are you evaporating the water and separating the solvent out either as a descrete phase or with carbon and then recycling the water? Are you incinerating it, either on site or off site? Are you filtering it and running it through membranes?
I am looking for some suggestions as to a practical way to dispose of 15,000 gallons a week of water contaminated with solvents,organic molecules and miscelaneous salts.
I am looking for some suggestions as to a practical way to dispose of 15,000 gallons a week of water contaminated with solvents,organic molecules and miscelaneous salts.





RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
1. I would suggest that you (or your factory) in parallell started to look at the alternative costs of minimizing the pollution and polluted water amount at the originating process stages. This could be cheaper over time than running large-scale cleaning processes.
2. For cleaning processes and equipment: this would be dependent on your type of process. If you are not located in Europe, try looking into different European suppliers/ countries and fora to get ideas. Requirements and amount of different solutions and available equipment may be higher than in your location.
3. If authorities are setting the parameters for cleaning, they would also more than likely have opinions and experiences on different practical solutions along with practical measuring and testing procedures of the end result.
4. Authrities, or their inspectors, could advice you on finding similar cases in the district (or otherwhere?) with running 'good solutions'.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
I would encourage you to strive for zero discharge, as that is the ultimate goal.
Good luck,
Latexman
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
All of the 15,000 gallons are trucked off to an incinerator.
There is no possibility of sending the water to the city sewer as they are having problems meeting discharge levels now and they are in trouble with the state. (Housing boom but no infrastructure boom.)
The water stream is made up of three sources.
The first is cooling water/ boiler water blowdown.
The second is water from washing the plant floor, equipment etc.
The third source is from aqueous separations.
The blowdown stream has high solids both desolved and suspended. Chemistry is a minimal problem.
Wash water is contaminated with dissolved salts (MgCl, MgBr) as well as large and organic molecules. Contamination is probably less than 1000ppm of most compounds.
The aqueous separations water is saturated with salts (NaCl, MgCl,MgBr) It may have a large ph range 3 to 10.
The contain saturation levels of ethyl ether, tetrahydrofuran, toluene, etc.
The streams are about equal in volumes.
Thanks
StoneCold
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Note: I do not agree with or endorse this strategy. However if you doubt it visit your favorite third-world or former Eastern-Bloc country and see if you are brave/foolish enough to drink the water.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
I hear you. My favorite angle to attack this is to burn waste solvent in a waste boiler and use the steam to flash the water and solvents off the solids. Then either steam strip the water to remove the solvents or use what is called a "macro-molecular polymer" to adsorb the solvents.
I think that would be good enough to feed the water back into my cooling towers without any problems. Unless I end up with more water than I can use in the cooling tower. Then I guess I will inject the dirty water into the waste heat boiler to vaporize it. Like an incinerator. I am unsure what the EPA would say about my ideas. I need to get that worked out.
Thanks
StoneCold
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
This if nothing else should reduce your cost due to the fact that would reduce the amount that contains the solvent.
Can the Cooling tower / boiler water not go to drain? The pH should not be very high?
Chris
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
I would attack the floor and equipments cleanings. Why not implement a non-cleaning procedure between batchs of the same product?
I don't know your industry but if in pharma is an acceptable procedure, it should be Ok for you.
Use Mop instead of waterjet clean the floor;
make equipmetn cleaning tests to know the minimum necessary water needed for and adequate cleaning.
Check your blowdown discharges. Is it the minimum for a proper work of the cooling towers?
Remember, water was a relativelyt cheap (if not free) commodity 20 years ago, now it is not. So practices that were acceptable before, today must be changed if you still want to be in the business.
Also, in the middle of 15.000 gallons of water you must have some that can meet your discharge limits. Discharge that one to the drain. Don't treat water that doens't need to be treated. This will only increase your bottomline costs.
Good luck
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Best regards,
Tom McGuinness, PE
Turbosystems Engineering
www.turbosynthesis.com
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
As an oil refinery we have on site our own waste water treatment. This water under controlled parameters of ph, phenols and sulphides, ammonia and oily matter is then discharged to an external industrial residuum treatment station owned by local authorities
regards
luís marques
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Obviously if we could discharge to the city sewer that would be great but there system is grossly undersized due to rapid housing expansion and they will not allow us to dump our water to the sewer. We have tried several times and all that happens is that they keep stalling us. We currently pay about $2/gallon for incineration. That is why we have to do something cheaper soon.
Regards
StoneCold
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Our liquid waste disposal is now using deep well injection. This waste stream carries all the bad stuff. We have one steam that is mainly cooling tower and boiler blowdown that is sent to the river after being aerated if everything is within limits. This stream can be sent to the well if necessary during process excursions. Our original disposal system consisted of bio-oxidation/remediation for the simple organic streams. We bred our own breed of bacteria. The heavy organics were disposed of by thermal oxidation, underwater. The was from this stream was sent through the bio plant. In the interim we had several small thermal oxidizers similar to the ones from the following company. I don't recall any major problems with their operation.
http://www.met-prosystems.com/index.htm
The newest scheme is to use part of the treated water from a large sewage treatment plant to be built on the plant site. The CTW purge will then be disposed of by spray fields located on site. They have several other permutations on this scenario that on has to have a chart. In case of upset of sewage plant any untreated water will be injected into the site deep well.
Food for thought.
http://www.plasmawhirl.com/index.html
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
You probably should segregate your streams. The cooling tower and boiler blowdown streams will generate a concentrated waste stream consisting of a slurry/sludge which can be disposed of far cheaper than via incineration.
With the ethers (THF & diethylether) in your stream, you can forget about biological treatment- something about ethers makes them recalcitrant to bugs. And they're quite soluble in water, so they may be difficult to separate by standard liquid membrane technology, activated carbon, air stripping etc. But you may get somewhere with pervaporation, where their volatility may come in handy.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
It's a bit crazy to attempt to "burn" water at the best of times- there are so many better, cheaper options if you have enough water to deal with to make the capital cost worth the investment.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Pilot testing of a membrane system on the cooling water/ boiler blowdown shows only about a 30% recovery. It is pretty rough stuff. We could probably get considerably better results on the floor wash water but I would guess the process water would be about the same as the blow down water because it is often saturated with salts. I would like to go with one solution, even though that may not be the cheapest option. I am very limited on manpower in my enviromental department and I have no technical personell in that area.
Regards
StoneCold.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Do you have any idea how much it costs to incinerate the wastewater. In the literature, I've seen rates all over the map and am looking for some concrete examples.
Some examples of chlorinated vs non-chlorinated would be very helpful.
Best regards,
Tom
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Stonecold: you're doing a great job with your blowdown streams if there's so little water in them! 30% recovery renders the membrane system pointless. Consider evaporating that stream to dryness yourself- there's nothing in there (likely) that would render the resulting salts leachate toxic, so they probably would not be considered hazardous waste for landfilling- they'd therefore be very cheap to dispose of. This presumes you've got some low grade waste heat to put to use for this purpose, and a place to put the evaporator(s) and solids handling equipment. It also presumes your management won't prefer wasting operations money burning water to spending a little capital.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
My opinion is to use an integrated system, a bag filter, then inorganic membrane, at last organic RO system, it depends on the content of your waste water and your final treated requirement. If necessary chemical methods is also needed. Inorganic is expensive than organid membrane but the life is longer and average treatment cost is lower. If use Chinese membrane the total cost may be deduced.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
Cooling tower blowdown water will meet pH conditions. what are the contaminants in Floor cleaning water? If it is wit in the discharge limits, have a sperate waste pit to collect this water and adjust pH to dispose without incinerating. This way you can reduce the volume of water you send out for incineration. For the remainign gallons, use adsorption techniques.
RE: What are you doing with your waste water?
do you still have a problem? How many gallons went to incinerator in july & august?