Resignation
Resignation
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I had a bad experince in my previous job. I gave my resignation letter to the boss. 1 week before quit date.
I though this will give them enough time to wrap up the projects and other stuff.
BAD IDEA.....
They started being nasty.. at the end of the day they threted me like a criminal, checking the isntrument if they still there.. that was pretty offensive for me. I didn't go back the next day .
Now, boss in the new job which I am thinking about quitting too, has asked me to give him a 2 weeks notice if I decided to leave( 2 years ago)
why? I know in one day he can transfer the responisibilities. He is a kind of guy who just loooks at his side. It is very obvious for me 99% he will say don't come back if i give him my resignation letter today.
I will lose a 2 weeks pay. on the other side I need him to sign my professional documents to be registered.
Well, what do you think I should do?
any feedback is aapreciated.
I though this will give them enough time to wrap up the projects and other stuff.
BAD IDEA.....
They started being nasty.. at the end of the day they threted me like a criminal, checking the isntrument if they still there.. that was pretty offensive for me. I didn't go back the next day .
Now, boss in the new job which I am thinking about quitting too, has asked me to give him a 2 weeks notice if I decided to leave( 2 years ago)
why? I know in one day he can transfer the responisibilities. He is a kind of guy who just loooks at his side. It is very obvious for me 99% he will say don't come back if i give him my resignation letter today.
I will lose a 2 weeks pay. on the other side I need him to sign my professional documents to be registered.
Well, what do you think I should do?
any feedback is aapreciated.





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If you're not too far from getting the PE, I'd suggest now is not the time to change jobs.
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The whole point of a notice period is that both parties have time to adjust to the change - what you want to do is just walk out, possibly for at least the 2nd time in your career.
When I am interviewing for positions, I check for things like this - anyone can have a bad experience at work, its how you deal with it that interests me - just walking out and not following agreed procedures suggests someone who is not a team player and can't cut it when things gets tough.
I would also expect references from previous employers - not leaving on sensible terms from your last two jobs doesn't suggest that you will get a glowing reports.
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Don't delete anything either paper of electronic. If you go through your electronic files, instead of deleting duplicates, create a folder called "Duplicates" and move them in there. Don't make copies of anything without explicit permission.
If no one talks to you and they monitor your Internet usage, just smile and be plesant.
David
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i think my boss and i have a pretty good relationship, so i hope there isn't any bad blood.
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Speak mano-a-mano to your boss, tell him you two need to work together to create a transition plan for your exit, because you wish to leave the company for other opportunities. Stay professional, the value of a clean exit and a non-negative reference is greater than the satisfaction of hurting the organization because you gathered up your marbles and went home on brief notice. You should take the high road. If the Boss takes the low road, then that's his problem.
TygerDawg
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Since you need his reference for your PE application one day, like others recommended, remain polite and professional.
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This has happened several times at my place, especially for some of the chief scientists/applications guys when they wont give assurances they aren't going to the opposition or if they bad mouth their boss/the company as part of their resignation but I believe they did the same with some lay-offs before Christmas. Supposedly it's not uncommon these days, especially with the damage people can do with access to the company network. They literally got walked straight out the door and someone else emptied their desks and brought the stuff to them at a later date or similar.
However from the employee side, 2 weeks seems pretty standard in the US, I think it was one month for my job in the UK. Depends on your contract/letter of offer and/or any company policies etc.
The 2 weeks is to allow them to create a transition plan etc, however in practice they can usually hand the work over that day or it takes longer than 2 weeks to find and train a replacement so the 2 weeks is pretty arbitrary.
At the end of the day they probably can't enforce the 2 weeks but are unlikely to give you glowing references and if word gets around it could damage your reputation.
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Here is a recent thread with some good tangential information.
thread731-178435: Resigning - Do I tell them why?
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Hi Humble 2000,
I am confused, you said, "I will lose a 2 weeks pay.".
Why is that? Even if your employer asks you to leave right after you give notice, they have to pay you for the 2 weeks. This is the case in Ontario, not sure how it is in other places.
Anyways, good luck in everything.
Joseph
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Wikipedia has a few good links about at-will employment here in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will
You don't have to stick around for the two weeks, but it is probably a good idea to retain some future relationship, should that be necessary. Never burn the bridge if you can help it. Bring an iPod to work and tune out. Bring cake or some kind of food to let people know how much you have appreciated working with them.
"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"
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My job offer made it clear it was 'at will'. So did the contracts/job offers on the other couple of menial jobs I had while waiting for this one to come along.
As such I doubt there is much that Judges Judy, Hatcher and Maybelline combined can do about it.
In some situations you can get other arangements in your contract but then I assume you're no longer 'at will', you are instead covered by your contract.
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Thank you very much everybody for valuable feedbacks.
Yes, I think I will go ahead and give my two weeks notice.
The issue is I have seen how my boss bad mouthed the other guys who quit.
He starts saying bad things about them that they weren't good or they ruin the company reputation and ...
I understand being a professional and deal with the situation ethically, however do you really think employers are dealing with situation ethically?
By the way, " Josephv"
I get paid for the hours worked, so if I quit in two weeks and I already had given my notice, does he still have to pay me for 2 weeks???
Is yours an 'at will' employer? Yes. He can let me go anytime he wants to!!!
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They know you are obligated by codes and regulations to follow and what they really care is if you can make money.
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Sure, there may be codes that you are obligated to follow, but that doesn't mean you are competent enough to follow them all correctly or with the desired efficiency. Also, the code doesn't mandate critical, independent thinking. Following the code is only useful once the actual problem and solution are laid out for you. It is up to YOU, not the code, to define the problem and solution.
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Consider that you might have two equally well qualified candidates applying for a single position.
The previous employer of candidate X provides a reference along the lines of 'We are really sorry to have lost X, a concientious worker and a good team player. The professionalism that X brought to the job and workplace was much appreciated by his/her coworkers and customers alike."
Compare this to the reference provide by the previous employer of candidate Y: "We can confirm that Y was employed by us in the position of Z between the dates of A and B"
Which candidate would you choose? Remember that its difficult (if not illegal) to provide negative references.
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I think there is a trend among companies today (at least in the United States, based on the advice of their legal department) who are defaulting to the second option regardless of how outstanding a former employee was in performing their duties.
Consequently the most that such a reference can do in the US corporate market today is verify that X actually worked for the company on the dates shown on their resume.
debodine
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Its a given that most resumes contain an element of embellishment, I can deal with that but, I want to be sure that the person I hire will be a good fit for my company and the existing employees. I would prefer not to hire and then find out there are 'attitude' issues that have to be dealt with - thats just going to take time that I can't afford.
The bottom line is, don't get a reputation for being a bad apple in the first place.
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In addition, with today's focus on privacy, a manager may be held to higher standards with respect to what information they reveal, and to whom they reveal it to.
From the interviewee's perspective:
Often times, people are looking for a new opportunity while they are still employed. In those cases, they will be very reluctant to tell you where they are, in case you do "a quick phone call to a buddy who works in the same company (or a customer of that company) to meet up for a drink or even a passing discussion at the 19th hole" and the word gets back to their boss. I have heard of instances where this has happened - not a pleasant situation for the interviewee.
Making the right hiring decision is tough, and reference checks is only one part of that equation. I would try to get as many different angles on a candidate and see the overall picture more so than rely on any single one. Then again, no process is perfect - that is why people get let go.
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I think I spoke too soon, I did not know what your contract/status was.
You may want to contact the local government labour office or a good lawyer.
Regarding your point, "I understand being a professional and deal with the situation ethically, however do you really think employers are dealing with situation ethically?"
I think it is best to take the high ground or as Oscar Wilde said, "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much."
Good luck!
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I think you ought to change the way you pick your candidates. Yes-men never made good engineers.
I quit at two of my last jobs (one I walked out, literally), the main reason has always been the change in leadership, the kind that comes in and wants to give an example for all by getting tough on the one that does not kiss ass. I don't because I've paid more than my dues, deliver more than anyone anywhere I've been, when a project does not have any money left, was due yesterday, and it better be done right, it always landed on my desk, always.
I guess I would not have made the cut in an interview with you, would I?
Just because someone does not get along with another person does not mean he/she is a bad engineer.
Statistics say that 80% of the time, the reason for people quitting their job is becasue the person does not like the one he/she was working for.
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while i've never kissed ass, and have always been one more prone to argue and debate.....there are also ways about doing it that won't get you labeled as a bad apple.
unless you work for yourself and by yourself, you never want to have the rep that you're someone no one can get along with. and that doesn't mean you have to be a yes-man.
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Just wanted to clarify an earlier point.
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Agree with evreything you said. It is a game indeed, you've got to play by the rules or you're not part of the game.
Lead, follow or get out of the way, I chose to get out of the way.
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The company who's HQ was not in the state where I worked got some nasty letters and I got all my money including pay for the entire two weeks. The HR guy who interviewed me was a great guy and he appollogized for the companys rude attitute and he and my boss both gave me excellent reviews.
The morale of the story is that companies have different rules that may not agree with stste law, even at will employment states have rules governing leaving companies. If you give two weeks notice, 99% of the time companies by law must honor that unless you signed a document when you hired on that waived your rights.