Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
(OP)
You guys noticed how SW is now saying you may or may not be able to have more than one copy of SW per license. I guess the days of the old home copy are gone. It looks like they are trying to become more like Pro E everyday. LOL






RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
The process is fairly painless.........could be hassle for computers not on the net.....or for computers where the hardrive dies. Guess they figure these two things aren't that common.
Jason
UG NX2.02.2 on Win2000 SP3
UG NX4.01.0 on Win2000 SP3
SolidWorks 2007 SP3.1 on WinXP SP2
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Chris
SolidWorks 07 3.0/PDMWorks 07
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 04-08-07)
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Jason
UG NX2.02.2 on Win2000 SP3
UG NX4.01.0 on Win2000 SP3
SolidWorks 2007 SP3.1 on WinXP SP2
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Rant alert: The problem they don't see yet is the fact that there is a need for gray market copies to float around to keep their software standard. Many vendors need SW to work with their customer's files, but have no use for it themselves, so why would they pay thousands of dollar to buy it and thousands to maintain it when they are only using about 5% of its functions. Essentially, SolidWorks tries to force mom and pops to own their own copies, it is us true SolidWorks customers who pay. We basically are paying for our licenses, and our vendor's licenses. And that really isn't fair at all.
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
http://sw.fcsuper.com/index.php
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
The reason why the mom-n-pops would (or should) pay for their license is that the cost of a legal license of SWX is miniscule when compared to the cost of a BSA audit. I don't want to get into a debate over ethics and unfair competitive practices, but companies that use "gray market" licenses in order to receive customer data are:
A) breaking the law
B) not playing on a level playing field with their competition who does pay for licenses
I don't blame Solidworks one bit for trying to incorporate anti-piracy measures. After all, they're a business, not a charity.
If Solidworks can eliminate piracy through these measures, it stands to reason that costs will go down for the rest of us, doesn't it? I've got to believe that there is some reparation for lost revenue due to piracy baked into the cost of a license / subscription service.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
The network license currently has two ways to take it home, one is the check out check in and the other is the home use license.
The standalone only has the home use option availible which I would still call a home use license.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
I don't see anything different from previous releases. Can you post the part of the agreement you are referring to.
SW07-SP3.1
SW06-SP5.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
No debate. :) Gray market creates business opportunity for the software publisher, so it doesn't stand to reason costs will go down without it. We aren't talking black market piracy here. I agree that hurts everyone.
If SolidWorks doesn't like gray market, then I would like to see them provide an alternative to fill the gap, so their customers aren't hurt. I've put in multiple enhancement requests for SolidWorks to publish a lite version specifically geared for vendors who aren't modifying the models, but need access model geometry directly.
As far as the original comment goes, CBL seems to suggest there is a misunderstanding. I know my VAR told me a few years ago that SW was planning to get rid of home licensing, but it doesn't seem like they've made that move yet.
To explain my comment about CA law, under a court ruling in the 90's, "Like A Book" understanding of licencing was enforced, regardless of what a s\w license might say. However, my information may be outdated if the law has been changed or if the 1998 digital information act superceded the court decision.
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
http://sw.fcsuper.com/index.php
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you mean by "gray market" copies of the software. Either these companies need direct access to the native SWX data or they don't. If they just need geometry (presumably for manipulation in some other system), SWX can export any number of neutral files. If these companies' customers refuse to supply anything other than native data then the companies who need "gray market" copies need to buy SWX as a cost of doing business.
I'm not saying the automotive industry is a shining example of what to do, but automotive suppliers by and large are required to work with native data. This supply base typically either has licenses of the software or pays a service bureau to do whatever conversion they need.
Can you give me an example of an instance where a "gray market" copy of the software would create a business opportunity for Solidworks?
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
We are talking two different languages, taking this discussion outside of the scope of the original question. Perhaps we can save this discussion for another day. :)
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
http://sw.fcsuper.com/index.php
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP![[pc2] pc2](https://www.tipmaster.com/images/pc2.gif)
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Rob Rodriguez CSWP
www.axiscadsolutions.com
www.robrodriguez.com
http://designsmarter.typepad.com/rob_rodriguez/
Eastern Region SWUGN Representative www.swugn.org www.nvtswug.com
SW 2007 SP 2.0
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
My question would be, What about multiple partitions on the same machine?
I have an install at work. At home I have an install on the same machine on a win32 and a x64. There would be no way to use both at the same time, but wouldn't this be 3 installs. I also like to be able to run tests with my single user licence on other machines around the office when I get those bugs that seem like the are due to my OS. Won't be able to do that anymore either.
The bad folks always ruin everything for the good guys.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
You can have multiple installs in the same machine. Counts as only one activation. Should work even with a dual-boot system. (Pls try it and let us know for sure.)
FYI, both SW2006 & 2007 are activation-aware. You can have both installed on the same machine and it still counts as one activation.
If you also need to run older releases, you'll have to contact your VAR to get special reg codes for SW2005 and earlier.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Cole M
CSWP, CSWST, CSWI, CPDM
SW06
SW07
IBM T42p, 2g proc., 1g RAM,ATI Mobility Fire GL T2
HP XW4100, 3g proc., 3g RAM, Nvidia Quadro 980 XGL
HP XW4300, 3.4g proc, 2.5g RAM, ATI Fire GL 3100
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
If you need to replace the computer you have to transfer it. If the HDD crashes and you can't get to the HDD they have a way of de-registering the software there, but its only a last resort. If you go off maintainence then you should still be able to activate your software in the future still, but you will only be allowed for that version.
rfus,
You are allowed only 2 so if you need it on 3 machines you will have to transfer one to the other when that happens. That's your only choice, unless you purchase another seat of SW. But if you are on a dual boot and like it was pointed out by sldwkmin it does work fine. So that's good to know.
It is very important to understand if you move your system to another machine that you must first Transfer the license back to SW.
I have SW07 SP3 installed and registered, but I also have my SW06 and SW05 installed on the same computer. I am using the serial number so there are no problems with my SW here. Just and FYI if you were curious about the older seats of SW.
Best Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP![[pc2] pc2](https://www.tipmaster.com/images/pc2.gif)
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Jason
UG NX2.02.2 on Win2000 SP3
UG NX4.01.0 on Win2000 SP3
SolidWorks 2007 SP3.1 on WinXP SP2
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Maybe they use the same math as the music industry, proclaming that every illegal copy=lost revenue.
Could be interesting to see what kind of arguments lies behind this practise.
I think they will be better off by looking throug the fingers with the illegal copies. And actually , the more the merrier, as this will give them a very large user base ready to get a legal copy as soon as they can afford it.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Only on hearsay, there's tons of (too much) piracy going on overseas in places like Russia and China. These changes are an effort to reduce that piracy. I believe that SolidWorks is trying to do their best to avoid impacting its loyal customer base.
Personally, I somewhat agree with your sentiment, but I do not agree with acceptance of black market piracy. I think Solidworks can make some changes to their methods to reduce piracy and still support its base better than they doing so now.
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
http://sw.fcsuper.com/index.php
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
At most...this stops the casual coping of software at smaller companies and employees (ex-employees) who take a copy home for personal use. So I can see them maybe gaining some $$$ from the smaller companies going more legit (or they stop using it). People at home that want to use it will either get a cracked copy off the net...or they will no longer use it period.
The last result of all this is they hassle their existing and new customers a litle.....question is....is it enough for them to lose sales, lost new licenses for existing customers, or lost subscription.
Jason
UG NX2.02.2 on Win2000 SP3
UG NX4.01.0 on Win2000 SP3
SolidWorks 2007 SP3.1 on WinXP SP2
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Perhaps SW is trying to tell us it has outgrown the small business group and wants to move into the corporate world of Autodesk and Pro-E. You know whats funny is that Pro-E is getting easier on licensing and SW is getting harder, LOL. Wow how is that for irony!
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Seems all CAM packages and such are still using a dongle.
To take a step back and look at the big picture this benefits the mom and pop shops that have made the choice to be honest and purchase the software and install their legal number of seats. If the've been competing with the dishonest guy down the street that wasn't following the license agreement this appears to have leveled the playing field. So your argument may be very strong depending which side of the fence you're standing on.
Cole M
CSWP, CSWST, CSWI, CPDM
SW06
SW07
IBM T42p, 2g proc., 1g RAM,ATI Mobility Fire GL T2
HP XW4100, 3g proc., 3g RAM, Nvidia Quadro 980 XGL
HP XW4300, 3.4g proc, 2.5g RAM, ATI Fire GL 3100
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Best Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP![[pc2] pc2](https://www.tipmaster.com/images/pc2.gif)
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Cole M
CSWP, CSWST, CSWI, CPDM
SW06
SW07
IBM T42p, 2g proc., 1g RAM,ATI Mobility Fire GL T2
HP XW4100, 3g proc., 3g RAM, Nvidia Quadro 980 XGL
HP XW4300, 3.4g proc, 2.5g RAM, ATI Fire GL 3100
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
I guess some of the users here has a little experience with PC-Games. I am thinking of Valve softwares Steam. Any one who has used it knows what I mean, an update system, licence handeling and purchase channel all in one. Very elegant solution, and works like a charm. In theory, it has its loopholes, as I can share my account info with someone else, who could use my license while im asleep, but... then again, in the case of someone going through this hassle, the license would not be used more than 24 hours a day....
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Its not illegal in that there is only one person who even uses the software, thats me. Which means there are not three of me so then the software can only be used at one time. Also when I originally bought my software my VAR said it was ok , that was a condition of purchasing the software. Also it is illegal by our State Law for SW to change licensing agreements during a contract term (my existing maintenance that is still in affect and paid for).
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
SW07-SP3.1
SW06-SP5.1
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
SolidWorks did inform us of the change with sp3. It was stated in a tech aleart and is still stated in the download section of the customer portal.
Scott,
Thank you for clearing up that there is not a change to the home use standalone license.
Microsoft started web based activation with windows xp when it came out and you will see more of this type of activation from more companys but that is just my oppinion.
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
If you have 3 computers, then you can install SW on all 3 stations. But only 2 of them are are going to be active at one time. The very quick and easy fix for this is to simple transfer your license from one system to another. You simple click "Transfer License" and it sends it back to SW. You fire SW up on the other station and it goes on the web and registers that computer. That is the legal way to do it. Your VAR is wrong and was incorrect in telling you that. You only get a total of 2 license one at work and one at home. The theory is you can be in both places at the same time. Not that you can't use 2 at the same time. Customers have been for years taking a single serial number and placing it multiple seats... now these guys are paying the price. Like anything else in this world... the bad apples are what causes the rest of us to pay... but I don't see the Activation thing as a bad thing at all. It's a good thing, I know you don't agree with me, but you have not been setting up your computer legally and for that your are one of the ones that this product activation was design for. I am not being rude or pointing fingers, only pointing out the what has caused this to happen.
Product activation has been discuss a number of times. One place to go is to the SW forum. There you can probably get more information then you will here, because a lot of the SW guys are in on those conversations. I am glad they have made some changes to protect themselves, but I know the hackers will find away around this... they always do, but it makes it harder for them to find one.
Sorry you feel that being off Subscription is the right thing to do. But like all new things that SW releases we all get a custom to these changes and keep moving forward.
Best Regards Rocko!
Scott Baugh, CSWP![[pc2] pc2](https://www.tipmaster.com/images/pc2.gif)
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
From the AutoCAD 1980's example, I'm inclined to agree with you. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 comes from and has perpetuated an ideology about licensing and copyright that just doesn't match the real world. All those companies that benefited from piracy all now claim it is costing them billions. It's all very hypocritical. However, I do think SolidWorks is trying to do their best, though I feel there are better directions they can go with this.
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
http://sw.fcsuper.com/index.php
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
What is even more hypocritical is that you pay for good software (that is expected and should work) but it comes with bugs and problems that cost you money and there is no way to sue or be reimbursed because the software guys (microsoft & others) have lobbied the hell out of congress to give them a pass.
Dont even try to give me the bs example of how complicated the code is. Airplanes , Helicopters are as much or more complicated and the mfgs can be sued if they do not work.
I hope the time is coming that a stupid programming error on SW side costs someone money , they will one day be able to sue. Perhaps then we will get better software control on the quality of the program then doing the age old throw it out there and patch and patch and patch ect...
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Wrong Rocko......Pro/E uses FlexLM as it's license manager and I can check out my license anytime I want to work at home.
Heckler
Sr. Mechanical Engineer
SWx 2007 SP 3.0 & Pro/E 2001
XP Pro SP2.0 P4 3.6 GHz, 1GB RAM
NVIDIA Quadro FX 1400
o
_`\(,_
(_)/ (_)
(In reference to David Beckham) "He can't kick with his left foot, he can't tackle, he can't head the ball and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that, he's all right." -- George Best
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
You can't blame the software companies. They also do their best.
I have installed SOlidWorks and other software on a lot of pc's. Some work well some don't, depends on the pc settings. I actually went through approx 20 pc's, set them exactly the same, worked out the bugs, loaded SolidWorks. They had no problems. All users were happy.
If a user starts having problems, it is because he/she had changed something.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong with so many OS's and software/hardware variables. Then throw in user variables. Everyone is trained different and think different.
SolidWorks does their best to keep up with them.
Chris
SolidWorks 07 3.0/PDMWorks 07
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 04-19-07)
RE: Noticed New Licensing Mumbo Jumbo Change on Rev3.1
Question: A partitioned hard drive utilizing a multi boot configuration has SolidWorks installed on each partition using the same activation serial number. Will this count as two activations or one activation when running SolidWorks in each operating system?
Answer: As long as the boot drive is the same for each operating system in a multi-boot configuration, there will be a prompt to activate both versions of SolidWorks but it will only count as one activation.