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JBUDA54 (Electrical) (OP)
28 Feb 07 13:49
Does anyone know where the world's largest electrical Motor resides, what it is used for, and who makes it?  I went to a Large AC Motor GE Seminar and found two motors that was used in a refinery for Motiva that drove Fans.  The following was taken from an IEEE website "The ASU for the Motiva Delaware City repowering project depends upon the proper application and operation of very large synchronous motors, including a four-pole 66000-hp machine and a four-pole 43000-hp machine, the former being the largest 1800-r/min compressor driver ever designed and manufactured."  http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=952516

This article was written in 2001 so there has to be bigger motors since then.

Thanks in advance for any input.  I tried search eng-tips for prior discussions and did not find any.

JERRYROBINSON (Electrical)
28 Feb 07 14:07
I know that NASA and Boeing aircraft both use 60,000 hp motors on their wind tunnels.

We actually have in our possession the old motors off the Seattle wind tunell.  It was 36,000 hp wound rotor induction motor, 10 pole. It was coupled to a 20,000 hp synchronous motor thru an eddy-current coupling, and had a 450 hp wound rotor pony motor on  the common shaft.

The 450 pony started the sync motor, which accellerated the 3600 thru the clutch. when the unit was up to slip speed, it was closed onto the power system to minimize impact on the utility.

I belive I read an article that both Siemens and ABB both have breached the 80,000 hp rating, but cannot find the artical.
jraef (Electrical)
28 Feb 07 15:00
We have had this discussion here in the past, but I couldn't find it. At one time ABB was working on a 125,000HP motor and drive for Boeing's supersonic wind tunnel, but that got the axe when Boeing abandoned the SST for the 2nd time recently.

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ScottyUK (Electrical)
28 Feb 07 15:18
That was 1997 - it was a 101MW variable speed drive and motor. According to ABB's literaturer it was delivered too.

http://library.abb.com/GLOBAL/SCOT/SCOT216.nsf/VerityDisplay/B09E1B7FC1063305C12572490033A751/$File/MEGADRIVE-LCI_for_SoftStarter_Rev0.pdf

One contender for 'largest' must be the motor-generators installed at the Dinorwig pumped storage hydro station in Wales. 330 MVA generating, 312 MVA motoring, 18kV, 500rpm.

http://www.fhc.co.uk/dinorwig.htm
 

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CJCPE (Electrical)
28 Feb 07 15:35
It would be interesting to know the rated torque as well as the horsepower of some of these big motors. That 36,000 hp, 10 pole motor would produce as much torque as a 90,000 Hp, 4 pole motor and would be comparable in physical size.
Tmoose (Mechanical)
2 Mar 07 10:24
ScottyUK (Electrical)
2 Mar 07 11:01
Miles behind those big Welsh machines:

500rpm @ 4,395,487,000 lb-ft, give-or-take.

Depends a little on what power factor the motor-generator is running at.
 

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motorman (Electrical)
2 Mar 07 15:29
How about the motor at Arnold Air Force base. Two 83,000HP coupled to two 60,000HP for a total of 286,000HP http://www.arnold.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070131-089.pdf.
arcflash99 (Electrical)
3 Mar 07 10:24
The refinery now belongs to someone other than Motiva. It was sold about 4-5 years ago to Premocor, not sure if they still own it.

The two motors were part of a syn-gas plant that started when the place belonged to Texaco.

I nkow they had some process issues for quite a while and couldn't use the motors.
Drivesrock (Electrical)
4 Mar 07 5:36
I believe the Dinorwig big electrical machines were made by GEC Machines in Rugby, England - now Converteam Motors. Thanks for the link ScottyUK.
bacon4life (Electrical)
27 Mar 07 19:03
Bath County Pumped storage plant.
563,400 horsepower (420,127 kilowatts)

http://www.dom.com/about/stations/hydro/bath.jsp
JBUDA54 (Electrical) (OP)
5 Apr 07 8:48
Is the 563,400HP (420,127kW) of Pumping Power a single motor or is it multiple motors.  My guess is that its multiple, but what are the motor sizes to equal that amount.  That is very impressive!!!

Skogsgurra (Electrical)
5 Apr 07 10:24
Yes, there are six motors/generators: "six 350-megawatt turbine generators"

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MJJBEE (Electrical)
5 Apr 07 14:29
Grande Coulee Dam in the NW united states 690 MW pumped storage machines

http://www.usbr.gov/power/data/sites/grandcou/grandcou.html
motorspert (Electrical)
17 Apr 07 10:47
Largest - by size, torque, type output, always a tough one. the propulsion  motors for the QE2 cruise ship are (59,000HP) 44MW at 144rpm. There are two at this rating, each one driving each propellor directly.

Must be "up there", in terms of torque
unclebob (Electrical)
20 Apr 07 17:51
Does any one of you have heard of a big motor that is use to crunch rocks? I don't remember where I saw it (in my dreams...) or at school, or both  sleeping    . Anyway, the rocks were put between the rotor and the stator and the turning did the crushing. The way I see it, it must turn very slowly, if it really exist...ponder      

waross (Electrical)
20 Apr 07 18:00
I think that an airgap large enough to crush rocks on a motor large enough to crush rocks with the rotor would need an unrealistic level of magnetizing current.
respectfully
DickDV (Electrical)
20 Apr 07 21:46
Rock crushers are common in gravel pits and quarries.  Also, for reclaiming old concrete.

The hp's are low, often in the 50 to 200hp range but watch out for the flywheel.  The stored energy in the flywheel does all the heavy work!
itsmoked (Electrical)
21 Apr 07 1:37
unclebob; That must have been imagined while you were in an altered state.

Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com

unclebob (Electrical)
21 Apr 07 6:18

Look what I found. A gyratory crusher. Not as big as I 'imagined' and not using the airgap as a crushing chamber.

Check that:

http://www.metsominerals.com/inetMinerals/mm_home.nsf/FR?ReadForm&ATL=/inetMinerals/mm_crush.nsf/WebWID/WTB-041101-2256F-BFDD1
itsmoked (Electrical)
21 Apr 07 10:15
That! Is a cool design!

Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com

aminersson (Industrial)
19 Sep 07 13:32
may now be worth taking a peek at the offshore oil industry - particularly around the caspian sea where a number of world 'firsts' are happening on a regular basis.
Jick (Aerospace)
28 Sep 07 17:37
I took a tour of the Langley National Transonic Facility (NTF) last year, where they mentioned the fan drive motor was one of the largest in the world. A bit of Googling turned up this press release:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/releases/1997/Dec97/97_133.html

135,000 hp, built by ABB, and continuous duty from 360-600 RPM. There were many reasons I kicked myself for forgetting my camera; this motor was one of them. BIG!
itsmoked (Electrical)
28 Sep 07 19:41
They probably would have had mass apoplexy if you'd whipped out a camera anyway.

Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com

electricpete (Electrical)
29 Sep 07 16:59
135,000 hp slow speed... that's a big-a** motor.

My work location has two generators that output 1350Mwe each.  That would be equivalent to approx 1,350,000 horsepower each.  Not slow speed, not motors, but still pretty dang big.

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MetalworkerMike (Industrial)
29 Sep 07 18:16
Uncle Bob... have you ever taken apart the 'business end' of a pepper grinder?  It might remind you of that gyratory crusher.  Mind you, the pepper mill just turns and the gyratory crusher presumably oscillates, but it's not so terribly different.

Mike
Andy360 (Industrial)
26 Oct 07 22:25
Hey guys.  Check this out.  It's a water pumping station in California.  They have 14 pumps each one with an 80,000 HP synchronous motor.  

http://wwwdoe.water.ca.gov/Projects/Current/ADEPP/index.cfm

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