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on & in

on & in

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involved in or involved on?
participate in or participate on?
Going in or going on?
depending in or depending on?

RE: on & in

Involved in a project.
Participate in a group.
Going in circles.
Going on bad data.
Depending on circumstances.

RE: on & in

I was involved on a project.
I was involved in that project.

Both seem to work.

"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."

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RE: on & in

I agree with vaporware.

RE: on & in

I also agree with vaporware.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: on & in

I still wonder why I sleep IN the bed.. not on it :).

RE: on & in

In ... if under the covers "Get out of bed!"
On ... if on top of the covers "Get off the bed!"
What my grandmother always told me. ;)

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: on & in

Well, you're on the matress, but in the bed which is the combination of matress, sheets and pillows.

Checking websters I see that involve has its roots in rolling something up.  It makes more sense to use "in" or "with" when using involve with regards to the orginal root meaning.  Its meaning is to become entangled or commited.

Involved with a married man was the example websters used.

RE: on & in

The correct preposition usually depends on the subject, not the verb, since the preposition is what tells you the specific relationship between the two, like

I put an object ON a table.
I put an object IN a cabinet.

You can't usually put an object "in" a table.

So your questions could have different answers, depending on the noun that follows:

I was involved IN an accident.
I was involved ON a committee.
I was involved WITH a girl.

I participated IN a study.
I participated ON a panel.
I participated AMONG equals.

I am going IN circles.
I am going ON a trip.
I am going TO New York.

Verbs like "depend" or "rely" don't usually refer to an actual physical position or relationship to the subject, so they are used with "on" or "upon".

Don
Kansas City


RE: on & in

Yeah that's what I meant, I was just lazy :)

RE: on & in

I agree with Vaporware.
lol

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: on & in

What about queing up?

I stand IN line, but others stand ON line...

RE: on & in

You could stand in line if it's a line of people (you're one of them) but to stand on the line would mean you're balancing on the other people that are in line.

You're on the line if it's something else, like a line in the sand.  Or a deadline, but then again if you're on the line it's not all of you that's on the line, mostly just your tail end.

RE: on & in

I can see this thread going on ... and on ... and on ...

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: on & in

Im on-line all the time :P.  How about in time and on time?

RE: on & in

You can't drive on a driveway
You can't park on a parkway

RE: on & in

I disagree with everything. I watch what's ON the tv, but then I'm not staring at the goldfish bowl sat on top of the tv. I don't watch what's IN the tv, mainly because I can't see inside as the back is screwed on, or is it screwed in??

corus

RE: on & in

And some people log in, while others log on.

RE: on & in

eromnlignod has the best explanation.

COE:

"in time" will be meeting a dead line, it could be much earlier than the dead line or just in time.

"On time" would mean on schedule, not late nor early.

This is just me. I profess no authority over english.

RE: on & in

We are logged "in" to Eng-Tips. If you want out, you have to "Log Out".
But, I'm working "on" the computer.ponder

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: on & in

rbulsara:  
I don't have the same distinction between "in time" and "on time".  If anything, it goes the other way--"in time" (to me) implies cutting it a little close.  But neither is wrong if I'm a week early.  

If someone asks me, "Did you finish it in/on time?" and I finished it a week early, I'm not going to answer "no" to either one of those questions.

hg

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RE: on & in

HgTx:

I agree with you. In fact you said just what I said!

Now if a shuttle schedule to pick you up, comes 20 mins early and you were not there and leaves without you.

Now someone asks you, "did the shuttle arrive in time?" what would you be your answer.

If someone asked you, "did the shuttle arrive on time?" what would be your answer?

The difference is "in time" may or may not include all "on time" events, but all "on time" events are "in time" as well.

Or say "in time" is a subset of "on time" but not the otherway around.


RE: on & in

I don't have a different answer for the two cases.  In either case, it would be something like, "That depends.  Does 'too early' fit into your definition of 'on time'?"  Neither of those phrases (for me) really addresses earliness.  They just have an end point.

Hg

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RE: on & in

I used to confuse "in" and "on"
Utilizing "in", and then "on", anon,
  Till a forum string din
  Explained "on" and "in"
Ad infinitum and so on, and on.

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