Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
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We are in the design procces of an AST for fuel oil (380cSt)for vessel bunkering supply.
Because we are not familiar with heat transfered products such as heavy fuels can anyone help how to size the capacity of the heater needed to pump the product from tank to ship??
Tank: 11,46m diam./12m height (20m elevated from dock-sea level)
Discharge Pipeline: 8" Sch Std 250m long
Tracer line: 2" Sch Std
Product preheat time ~1 hour
Product flow rate : 150m3/h-200m3/h
Because we are not familiar with heat transfered products such as heavy fuels can anyone help how to size the capacity of the heater needed to pump the product from tank to ship??
Tank: 11,46m diam./12m height (20m elevated from dock-sea level)
Discharge Pipeline: 8" Sch Std 250m long
Tracer line: 2" Sch Std
Product preheat time ~1 hour
Product flow rate : 150m3/h-200m3/h





RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Then you must design the heating system for the tank. What have you got hot around there to use for the heating medium, size the pump, the diameter and lengths of heating elements, heat circulation pumping system, find the pressure and flowrate required in the heating pipes.
Obviously we can't do that kind of work in these little boxes provided on this website, so get all that info together and then I suggest you try to find an engineer that can do a tank and pipeline heated delivery system design for you.
BigInch
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RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
This site is generally for tips and help - not for "free consultancy service". You will get excellent help here - but you will need a good understanding of the field that you are asking question in.
How will you document the deisgn that you may receive from here?
My advice: If this knowledge does not exists within your company seek "professional help".
Best regards
Morten
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Parameters such as BigInch mentioned above help to get a litle bit more into heating details.
I am not looking for free consultancy service.I am just trying to clear some things out, such as the fact that my engineer is suggesting a 2.000.000kcal/h heater calculating the heat needed for a flow rate of 150m3/h ,but what about for example the heat needed to preheat the product in the tank? Isn't it another factor that I will have to add up to heaters'capacity?
Thanks again for your time.
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
But neither is there point to heating the tank, if the pipeline remains plugged with cold product. Both must be heated to flow temperature.
BigInch
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RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
As the pour point is much below this value, you can go upto 400C for the tank contents. We used to maintain 400C in the tank and 600C for transfer piping (for transfer from main sotrage to day storage of boiler).
The tank contents will be 3.142 x 11.46 x 11.46 x 12/4 = 1238 m3.
If you have 1 hr preheating time and considering 200C initial temperature (or consider worst case), the heat input should be 1238 m3x985 kg/m3 x 0.23 kcal/kg 0C x 200C/1 hr = 5609378 kcal/hr. (Note: You can reduce this by increasing the heating time.)
For transferring at 150m3/hr, you require
150m3/hr x 985 kg/m3x0.23kcal/kg 0C x 200C = 679650 kcal/hr.
Then you have tank heat loss and also heat required to raise tank material. The link below gives you some methods to estimate tank heat losses.
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It is also worth reading Predict Storage Tank Heat Transfer Precisely by Jimmy Kumana et al appeared in Chemical Engineering March, 1982 issue.
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
I thing using the formula Q=m*c*dt as quark has mentioned above gives me a clearer view...
You need 40oC in the tank and 60oC for transfer piping for what exactly product?
Ours is RMG 380(ISO 8217) whith a visc of 380cSt/50oC-pour point 30oC or RME 180 180cSt/50oC-pour point 30oC (ISO 8217/2005).Are these products pumpable at 30oC??
In any case thank you.
I have some more reading to do..,coming back later on!
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
To quark, what is the source of the bunker fuel heat capacity ? I have the feeling it would be about twice the quoted value.
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
BigInch
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RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
BigInch,
You apparently forgot to convert deg F to deg C.
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
I'm with you then. The heat calculated above needs to be at least doubled.
BigInch
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http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Yo pienso que no es una aproximación sino una identidad.
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
BigInch
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http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
1. The language spoken should be common.
2. When challenging a previously given data, it is the challenger that has to show references.
3. When in doubt google it.
4. All the above are not applicable if I am kidding
You are absolutely right that the specific heat is about 0.5kcal/kg 0C. Surprisingly, I did have the correct value but I missed it.
Thanks a lot for the correction.
Suocsiv,
The fluid I was speaking about is called as furnace oil here (or bunker C or No. 6 oil, else where, with 380cst @50C)
If the pour point is 300C you can just pour at that temperature. Further, it is better to reduce viscosity before pumping for longer life of the pump. So, you require higher temperatures to pump it. I never checked what the viscosity was at 600C. I faced problems below 600C though the ambient temperatures here are generally high.
After doubling the value in my calculation, note that this is the calculation for initial start up. Once the temperature is reached, you have to just maintain it. The link I provided is an excellent tool to calculate the heat loss from tank and piping as well.
Good luck,
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Thanks again for your helping knowlege!
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question
Quark, referring to your points:
a. I indeed childishly
My last post translates into: I believe it's not an approximation but an identity.
b. Most liquid hydrocarbon fuels have specific heats of 0.45-0.50 kcal/(kg.oC) or thereabouts at transferring temperatures.
One formula for Cp, in kJ/(kg.oC), would be:
where t = temperature in oC and d = density of oil at 20oC in kg/L.
Their thermal conductivities are about 0.125 W/(moC).
c. No comment.
d. Even if/when joking you're still right in your complaint.
Suocsiv,
Some notes:
• A knowledge of the viscosity-temperature relationship is needed for the determination of the heating required for tranfer purposes, as well as the temperature range for satisfactory burning at the injector nozzle or burner.
• As long as the fuel is liquid and flowing (in some cases asphalt is considered an effective pour point depressant) you may not need to heat the whole tank contents to pumping temperature if you install properly-designed suction heater + pump system.
• A minimum of 80oC is sometimes specified to take account of possible non-Newtonian behaviour of some heavy residual fuels.
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www.fueloilpump.com/08-heavyoil.html
RE: Thermal fluid Heater sizing question