Diesel generator and transformer inrush
Diesel generator and transformer inrush
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A client of mine asked me to make a list of the requirements of a diesel generator which must be able to withstand the inrush of one transformer.
Generator data:
Rated voltage: 6.6 kV
Rated Freq: 60Hz
Rated power: 2.1 MW
power factor: 0.8
Transformer:
Vltg ratio: 6.6 / 0.45 kV
Rated power: 1.6 MVA
Inrush current: < 8*Irated
Could you suggest any requirements of the generator or the transfomer?
Generator data:
Rated voltage: 6.6 kV
Rated Freq: 60Hz
Rated power: 2.1 MW
power factor: 0.8
Transformer:
Vltg ratio: 6.6 / 0.45 kV
Rated power: 1.6 MVA
Inrush current: < 8*Irated
Could you suggest any requirements of the generator or the transfomer?






RE: Diesel generator and transformer inrush
Your generator voltage will look very nasty for a split second and there is a risk that your AVR will overcompensate. The frequency will probably also do excursions, so the speed governor will work hard.
But these things are normal and there are no problems as long as you do not have any loads connected when you switch in the transformer.
Having load connected and then switching the transformer in is something quite different. Then you need to be very careful. I would not do it.
Gunnar Englund
www.gke.org
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I would like to avoid this condition, Skogsgurra.
But I can't because this is only one possibility.
The gen and trafo will be installed on a ship. The gen set will be composed by 2 MV switchboards, 4 generators and 4 transformers.
The energisation of the first gen and the first trafo will be as indicated by ScottyUK but during a cruise any other condition will be possible.
Skogsgurra, I agree with you that the combination will be fine but I must produce a report in which I describe the technical motivations. And this is not so easy. I must convert my sensation in something technical...
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i take it that generators will be switched on and off as the load varies. What you need for startup is to start 1 generator, energize 1 transformer, connect some load to that transformer's secondary such a lighting or refrigeration that will not be bothered by frequency and voltage excursions too much, then synchronize in the other generators, and then energize each of the 3 other transformers. The reason why you need to connect some load during startup is so that the load acts as a damper that absorbs the bumps that occur during synchronization.
For utilty supplied power it is not a problem to have some load connected to the secondary of a tranaformer when the primary is energized.
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The key factor is voltage dip, which will depend on four factors:
Generator source impedance
Point on wave switching
The magnetic characteristics of the transformer core (esp in the saturated region)
Magnetic residual flux in the core before the energisation.
The best way to quantify the impact of these is to perform a time domain inrush calculation using a program such as PSCAD-EMTDC. See http:
In this particular case it would be relatively straight forward for an experienced consultant to model the transformer, the generator, and the AVRs.
Dr K S Smith
Mott-MacDonald, Power Systems Division
Glasgow, Scotland.
RE: Diesel generator and transformer inrush
thank you for suggesting some operative procedures.
The biggest problem is related to guarantee reliability also in case of emergency, that nobody can define previously (Tytanic experience teaches).
So the electrical components must be able to withstand any stress.
hvcad,
you are right when you list the basic factors.
Even if nothing I can say regarding wave switching and residual flux, maybe I could impose that:
1- Generator sub-transient reactance shall be very high
2- Transformer core shall have very high saturation point and low hysteresis
Right?
Thank you all for your help
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Gunnar Englund
www.gke.org
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Do you suggest to include also some requirements concerning mechanical efforts?
Could you list any requirements, please?
Thank you
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Any generator designed to withstand a fault shouldn't require additional bracing for load inrush - what did OEM think would happen to their un-modified design during fault conditions? I'm really surprised by this - what size generator was it, and what brand?
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Firstly, what gunnar and ScottyUK advised is very appropriate.
If you want a practical case in point, I just installed a 2000kVA transformer, which is energized by a 2000kW, 13.8kV generator via a vacuum circuit breaker. This configuration while is now working fine, had one issue. The transformer had high inrush current for a long time. It came to light because the generator differential protection set at 10% and 15 cycles occasionally tripped. The immediate remedy was to open up the settings of the 87 function. In fact I captured several waveforms, which indicated the inrush is just above 11% at 15 cycles. The long-term remedy to be implemented is to temporarily defeat the 87 function (or have expanded settings) during the initial energization, say for 0.5 seconds, and then revert back to tighter settings. This is easily accomplished by modern (for example, GE SR-489) digital multifunction relays. There was no other issue with generator power quality.
The moral of the story is that the generator itself will not have any problems like voltage dip or anything, but you may have to set your differential protection correctly, if it is a problem. I strongly recommend capturing waveforms of the inrush transients during initial test (at least a dozen) to be sure what is happening.
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thank you for your very interesting contribution.
A little suggestion: instead of modifying the 87G settings, you can block it with the 2nd and 5th harmonic like for transformers, if the relay can do that.
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I beleive this particular relay does not have harmonic restraint. (May be because it is a generator relay, the tranformer protection relay may have it) The solutions I mentioned are published in GE's tech bulletin. But thank you for the suggestion.
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This is an interesting post. I did some emerg. gen. installations as a jr. engg. consultant but that confined to 600 V only. But some time, if I come across a transformer connected to a MV generator: I can use the Moral of this story. Please advise me, if I am right.
As per Rubulsara, change settings of protection
From rest:
Point # 1 : Make sure the transformers was deenerized for long time so that there is no residual flux as that may lead to increase inrush.
Point # 2 : Connect some lighting load to transformer for damping("I had an impression than an unloaded transformer has less inrush than a loaded one").
I beleive that is all that matters.
Note: What is Cold inrush and Hot inrush ?
Regards,
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Point 1. I can't be sure that the transformers are de-energised for a long time before a new inrush. I must guarantee reliability in any condition above all in case of emergency.
Point 2. Connected loads dump inrush currents because they add impedences in parallel to the magnetising impedance of the transformer.
But the operative requirements you suggested can't be respected in case of emergency in a ship.
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I do not think any one of your two points matter. The system shall still be designed for the worst case.
For all practical purposes tranformer inrush is independent of load. (inrush is in the range of 8-12 times the full load and the full load is 1 at the max, plus they are not in phase so it really does not matter).
As for residual flux, unless you are using a static transfer switch to switch sources, 10-15 cycles will be more than enough to dampen most inrush transient. 30 cycles would be the most.