Shop Drawing Review
Shop Drawing Review
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Recently I was drilled by an architect because our firm's shop drawing stamp did not have an option for "Approved". Our options are: "Reviewed - Exceptions Noted" and "Reviewed - Resubmitt". I do understand why we use the word "Reviewed" instead of "Approved", but this was the first time I was questioned about it. I was a bit surprised.
I am curious to know the shop drawing procedures for other firms. Do you stamp and initial every sheet of the structural steel submittals, for example?
Thanks again,
Claire
I am curious to know the shop drawing procedures for other firms. Do you stamp and initial every sheet of the structural steel submittals, for example?
Thanks again,
Claire






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I would encourage you to talk about the specific wording with your firm's insurance agent for more information.
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Reviewed with No Exceptions
Reviewed with Exceptions as Noted
Revise and Resubmit
Rejected
Where "Reviewed with No Exceptions" is the same intent as "Approved" without the connotations pointed out by jike.
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No exceptions taken.
Exceptions taken as noted.
Rejected/resubmit.
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But then they got word that "approved" was a bad term to use legally and the changed it to what Imolson states above...using the No Exception terms.
Years later, I heard from more than one source that the wording doesn't matter a bit, that what matters is that
1. You looked at the shop drawings
2. You either marked it up or didn't mark it up.
3. You returned it in a timely matter so as not to delay anyone.
4. You perhaps took additional actions (revised plans, change orders, etc.) as a result of the submittal.
All of these are the "meat" of what the shop drawing review process is about and the wording on the stamp may not mean all that much should your project end up in the lawyers hands.
Even if you use "approved", the concept should be stated below the check boxes saying that the shop drawings were reviewed for general conformance to the plans and specifications and that the contractor is still responsible for meeting the demands of the contract documents.
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Do you stamp every sheet of the submittal... or just the first sheet?
Do you copy your marks by hand?
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Today - we only stamp the first sheet of a bound set of anything.
Some of us simply copy the remarks by hand throughout the multiple sets - assuming they aren't too numerous. If there are a lot of them, we will type out a listing of comments (properly referenced to the detail/sheet in Word and staple that to each set.
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Typing the comments out is a good time-saving tip.
Thanks!
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stamp each sheet.
I redline each sheet of multiple copies. just recently, one of the reproduction firms in our area started making "red/black" copies of shop drawings. All of the red ink shows up as red on the copies, everything else shows up black or shade of gray. saves alot of time transferring marks if there are lots of them. prefer to spend the $$ for copies and be working on putting out the other fires instead of the mind-numbing transferring of marks.
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by copying the red marks, this is not only mind numbing, but yet one more opportunity to make an error.
A large firm I used to work for is now using computer program to redline drawings: both the in-house drawings, and electronic images of the submittal. For these, the software is of the "collabarative" type, that is, it can store multiple sets of red marks from different people, they are consolidated "manually", that is some one reads all the red marks and makes up one final set of electronic red marks on the electronic drawing or image for transmittal. (This still is a chance to make an error, but it is an improvement on the red pencil method.)
regards,
chichuck
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We have jobs where the specifications require us to submit, say, 8 copies of shop drawings. We'll then get 5 back, each marked up by hand, throw 4 of them away, and make the revisions noted on our original drawings and reproduce. I've never quite understood the logic in doing things this way.
A typed list of comments is usually easier to deal with on the receiving end, and has the advantage that it can be faxed back to the contractor rather than mailing a whole set of plans. If comments are minor, it speeds things up all around to have the drawings "approved as noted" (or non-responsibility equivalent) rather than "rejected and re-submit", especially when the review cycles take 60 days or so. If you have questions on shop drawings, a simple phone call may save weeks of review time on a re-submittal as well.
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0 furnish as submitted
0 furnish with noted corrections
0 reviewed
0 revise and resubmit
0 rejected
Review, written comments and/or corrections provided by Engineer are solely for checking conformity of the shop drawings with the design concept of the project. The contractor is responsible for conformity of all shop drawings with all contract documents, confirmation and correlation of dimensions at the project site,selection of construction, erection and fabrication processes, techniques and sequences of construction, and coordination of contractor's work with all other trades.
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Reviewed with exeptions
Revise and Resubmit
Stamp Every Structural Steel Drawing
Get two copies, mark them up, keep one, send the other one back.
Any time I talk contractors they use the term Approved as if I'm taking responsibility for any fabricator errors. Just refer the architect to the AISC code of practice.
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2. Make corrections noted.
3. Amend and resubmit.
4. Rejected.
5. Returned without review. (For when we get sent handrail submittals, or pavement, etc)
We transfer red marks/comments to all the sets. It's a pain in the ass if you're stuck doing it, but usually a drafter or intern can transfer them.
We only stamp the front sheet of whatever we're looking at.
And JAE is right, you can say whatever you want on the stamp, but the lawyers probably won't care. You looked at it, essentially approved it, and now it's screwed up.
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As far as backchecking, it's one of those things you just need to chew people out for if they mess up. There is no excuse if the intern cant copy marks correctly. It takes NO experience to copy. I just make sure my marks are large and obvious.
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archeng59-
Our contractors provide us multiple copies to start with (hence the problem copying marks to 4 other sets). I don't see the cost difference in the contractor making copies before the mark-ups or after. However, I think we would still have to have three hard copies minimum (one for us, one for the architect, and one for the contractor).