Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
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Had anyone else not relaized that as per ASME Y14.100-2004 para 4.28, dates on drawings are to be written Year-Month- Day rather than Month-Day-Year? I have always written dates Month-Day-Year, am I the only one?





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RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Chris
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RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Is that about how you all see it?
RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Chris
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RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Back in the UK it was day, month, year. I believe this goes for all of Europe, not sure about the rest of the world.
This could cause confusion when looking at US documents.
My guess is they chose Year Month Day because no one else does it this way and it would help avoid confusion!
Also if you have the date as part of the file name it sorts better this way.
Maybe there is an ISO convention they are trying to match.
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If only that was the way that americans as a whole wrote the date. I think it makes the most logical sense, but like anything else that is ingrained practically from birth, I can't see it changing any time soon.
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If 2 digit then for the next few years there will still be some possibilty of confusion.
Ken
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RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
The method of specifying dates on drawings shall be
numerical by year-month-day for entry in the “DATE”
block. For example, June 10, 1989 would be indicated
as 1989-06-10, 89-06-10, 19890610, 890610, 1989/06/10,
or 89/06/10.
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I do not trust any other numerical date format. The European system is dd/mm/yyyy, and the American system mm/dd/yyyy. Much of the time, I cannot tell them apart.
The yyyy/mm/dd format sorts nicely on a computer.
JHG
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Membership on the ASME Y14 standard committees is completely voluntary - ASME does not compensate committee members for their time, nor do they cover travel expenses. In fact, many committee members pay all of their own travel expenses to attend meetings. Membership on one of the Y14 committees is a big time commitment. Typically, an active committee will meet in person for three or more days at a time, two or more times a year depending on deadlines. Some committees have multiple teleconferences between in-person meetings. The Y14.5 committee meets for five days at a time with some members doing preliminary work a couple of days ahead of the regular meeting.
The ASME committees are comprised of people who have a wide range of experience in the area covered by their particular standard. They work in industry, education and government. All of the members I know are dedicated to improving the standards for the benefit of all of us; none are interested in wasting their time making trivial changes. If you are not happy with any of the standards, contact ASME about becoming a member of one of the standard committees - they're always looking for qualified members.
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08AU06 for August 8, 2006.
Abreviations used for the months: JA, FE, MR, AP, MY, JN, JL AU, SE, OC, NO, DE.
RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
How about 06B05 for 2006 February 05?
I have seen this one.
JHG
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Which brings me to ERE's point. People who volunteer their time, resources and often personal funds to participate on various standards development committees should be appreciated, even when their logic is beyond immediate grasp. I've personally logged thousands of hours of personal time working on international standards, and I know many other people who do the same. When standards are developed, even those for use inside a single nation, the efforts and inputs of countless representatives are considered, weighted and negotiated before settling on the final result.
I would presume that most comments about those who develop the standards are tongue-in-cheek, but just the same, the next time someone offers a glib comment about their efforts, think about life without ASME, ANSI, ISO, CSA, DIN, JIS, and every other industrial design standard their is out there...
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As I noted above, the ISO date format sorts nicely on a computer. I have taken advantage of this several times.
Given the ambiguiuty of the European and American systems, and the number of people who do not know the difference, a proposed new date format should be visibly different from the existing ones. YYYY/MM/DD accomplishes this nicely.
I do not find ISO to be at all inscrutable on this one. It makes a whole lot of sense, and there is no need to make excuses for them.
JHG
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I have had no complaints about this style of dating. On the other hand, I have had few situations where people absolutely had to understand my dates.
Also, I write out the month in text, whenever possible. The text strings "2006" "Aug" and "14" can be written out in any order and they will make sense to a person who reads english.
JHG
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Providing the year is shown with all 4 digits, there should be no misinterpretation. I have yet to see any document or correspondence (official or otherwise) using a YYYY-DD-MM notation.
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Drawoh, I wasn't making excuses for the ISO committee that standardized this date format, I was supporting them. Not everyone can, or will, see the logic of a standardization committee's decision and will therefore prematurely rule it silly, pointless, or just outright incorrect because it isn't what they're used to. Logic is never simple, and rarely the same between people. You might have seen this in the migration from board-drafting to computer 2-D to 3-D Solid modelling, or from traditional linear tolerancing to GD&T... inevitably somebody can't or won't wrap their head around it despite the logic behind the migration being obvious to seemingly everyone else. I was also trying to compliment the actions of standards development organizations; the participants indirectly take a lot of abuse by people who aren't involved. While the committee's logic may not be readily apparent to all, they have at least established a path that we can all walk without having to blaze a new trail every time we step onto it.
It can be quite intellectually and personally satisfying to help develop standards that become widely implemented; everyone should give it a try some time.
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RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Chris
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ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)
RE: Dates as per ASME Y14.100-2004
Spelling out the month or indicating the date format can be good in some situations but not all.
I guess if you reference Y14.100 on your drawing and put the date in the format described there in there can be no argument.
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At least until someone starts useing "YYYY/DD/MM" :)
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