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Rev Table In The Sheet Format
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Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I usually have around 20-30 sheets per design. I need each sheet to have it's own revision table. When I insert the rev table on the first sheet everything is fine. But then I try to insert the rev table on sheet2, a generic table comes in with the words "see sheet1".

Actually, I would like the revision table to be on the title block itself so that it comes in with the format.

Any suggestions?

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Insert the rev table on the first sheet where it should be, add a seperate table on the first sheet listing all other sheet revs. The additional sheets do not show revs. This is standard.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Ignore the "see sheet 1" comment, just double click on it & type whtever you need. The rest of the cells can be treated normally.

I dont know of a way to add the Rev Table into the Sheet Format.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

edreaux,
What I normally do is delete the "see sheet 1" row.
Then right click on the revision table and select insert row below. Then I just populate the cells as required.

Regards,
Dan Olid
SW2006 SP4.1
PDMW 4.0
Cad Designer/PDMW Admin

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I'm no expert when it comes to standards. But it seems to me that if you were designing a hammer (just for example), the first sheet would be the assemlby, the second would be the head, and the third would be the handle. The head and the handle should have their own revision tables to track their individual changes. Especially since one print will be sent to the metal shop and the other to the wood shop.

But apparently SWX agrees with ctopher on this issue.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
OLID: Yes I will just have to modify the tabel each time. Although, I was wanting to use the table I created myself.

Thanks all.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

The official standard apparently is to have the rev table on the first sheet with a separate table referencing the other sheets rev levels. I have never worked at a company which did that though. See also thread1103-147119

You can use the custom table you created yourself by selecting it when placing the reve table. It will however still default to showing the "see sheet 1" comment.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

edreaux,
You can use the table you created. When you add subsequent sheets to your drawing they come in with no revision table. You have to insert a table first, at that time, insert your desired table. Then follow the steps from my previous reply. I have our revision tables saved on the network and when I insert one into sheet 2, all of our column widths and headers are as they should be. This method works well for us.

Regards,
Dan Olid
SW2006 SP4.1
PDMW 4.0
Cad Designer/PDMW Admin

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I dont mind editing the text. But the table itself is not the custom table I created. (the one I just inserted the sheet before) The cells are different sizes and there is one extra row.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Check the File Locations is pointing to the correct place ... the place where you saved your customised Rev Table.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
File locations pointed correctly.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

So you get the correct Rev Table on the first sheet, but not on subsequent ones????

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Cory beat me to the answer but do as he says. That should allow you insert "your" table. Alternately you can browse for "your" table but Cory's method will save you the trouble.

Regards,
Dan Olid
SW2006 SP4.1
PDMW 4.0
Cad Designer/PDMW Admin

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
CBL: That is correct. I can insert my custom table on sheet 1 but not on sheet 2. In fact, when I insert the table on sheet 1, then re-order the two sheets (drag tabs so that sheet 2 becomes sheet 1) then I can insert the custom table on what was sheet 2. So apparently SWX is trying to discourage the use of REV tables on any sheets other than sheet 1.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Can you copy & paste the rev sheet from one sheet to another?
What version & SP of SW are you using?

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
Cannot copy. I get the message "item on clipboard cannot be pasted here".

sp4.1

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

SW06-SP4.1 here also, but I have no problem inserting my custom Rev Table on any of my sheets. Don't know why you are having a problem doing it. Are you experiencing any other strange problems with SW.

What happens if you try to insert the first rev table on a sheet other than sheet 1? (eg. start new drawing, create multiple sheets, insert table on sheet 3 first)

... and sorry, I cannot copy and paste either. Hadn't tried till now.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

SW tries to follow standards. That's why rev tables don't go on other sheets. I know a lot of companies don't follow standards, but each assy and part should have it's own dwg with it's own rev table.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I tried inserting the custom table on sheet 3 first thing from a new document and still get the generic boxy table. I tried it with my custom template and the default swx template but the same thing.

If you can do it, and it sounds like OLID can, then I probably have a setting set wrong somehwere.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

edreauax,
I am stumped as to why you cannot do it. It sounds like everything is correct. This is what it looks like when go to insert a table. I can also browse for different table from here if I choose to. Very strange.

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/6097/revtable8tu.png

Regards,
Dan Olid
SW2006 SP4.1
PDMW 4.0
Cad Designer/PDMW Admin

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
OLID: Yes I get that same dialogue and I choose my table.

ctopher: I realize why SWX tries to follow standards. And I think it is a good thing in general. However, I would like the option to deviate from any standard when I think it would benefit productivity.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

edreaux ... Can you post a copy of your customised Rev Table for download. See FAQ559-1177 for details.
Also can you post screen shots of the first & second sheets of a drawing showing the tables.

In the meantime try doing a search for *.sldrevtbt on your main drive to make sure you are not picking up a rev table you are unaware of.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Just found out SW07 has new option which allows independent revision tables per sheet. Common sense wins again. poke
lol

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I did a search and only have 3 .sldrevtbt files. The 2 installed with swx (no zone and standard), and my customized file.

I guess I will have to start using the pre-release 07 if I want to use the customized on every sheet. Thanks.

http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152789476/REV_TABLE_1.jpg
http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152789514/REV_TABLE_2.jpg
http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152789530/REV_TABLE_3.jpg
http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152789715/DTI_REV.sldrevtbt

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Modify your Rev Table (or create new one) so that the Display Title is set at the top. I seem to remember I had a similar problem if the template was saved with the Title set to the bottom. Once inserted into a drawing sheet it can be flipped.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
That was it! I flipped the title to the top and it works now. It does not allow additional revisions without affecting sheet 1 but I can work with it from here.

Thanks.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

I'm pleased to hear that sorted your problem, but how is sheet 1 affected? Can you explain what you mean by, "It does not allow additional revisions without affecting sheet 1 ..."?

In my setup the tables act independently.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
Well, the first time it worked, I tried to add a revision to sheet 2 and the revision showed up on sheet 1. But I havent been able to reproduce that error. So I may have misunderstood what really happened.

The table is working fine now. I just have to adjust the height of the cells. For some reason they do not insert with the correct height.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

My work has mooload.com blocked from our PC's.
Sorry, can't see them.
Happy it worked out for you.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Why not just be lazy & create individual drawing files?


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SolidWorks 2006 SP0.0 / SpaceBall 5000
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RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
You mean draw the revision on the border each time?

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Instead of trying to make one drawing file with multiple sheets & fighting your revision table issue... Make each sheet a seperate drawing file, each with it's own revision table... seems too easy.


Windows XP / Logitech "Premium" Optical mouse
SolidWorks 2006 SP0.0 / SpaceBall 5000
Lava Lamp
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RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

No he means have separate drawings (each with one sheet) for each part ... not one drawing with multiple sheets. That way there is only one Rev Table & it is always on the first & only sheet.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

I hate to be bringing up standards all the time, but that is how it should be done anyway. It makes updating drawings and models much easier also.
The only time I have multiple parts  within a dwg file, is for tooling. Tooling people like to have all parts on one dwg with one part number.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I may need to consider doing it that way. It appears that everyone else does. When I started using swx it just seemed reasonble to put all of my drawings for each project in one drawing file and I have been doing it that way ever since. Is it really a standard though, or a preference?

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Our way is STANDARD...
Your way is PREFERENCE...
Prepare to be assimilated...borg
Resistance is futile. borg2


Windows XP / Logitech "Premium" Optical mouse
SolidWorks 2006 SP0.0 / SpaceBall 5000
Lava Lamp
www.Tate3d.com

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

I believe standards exist for both methods. If there wasn't there wouldn't be a standard for the way a Rev Table should be used for multiple sheets.

I use the multi-sheet method (as do many others) because, like you, I find it easier for file management ... I don't have PDM though.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

(OP)
I understand that there is and should be a standard for multiple sheets. But doesnt that standard pertain to addtional sheets needed to complete a print of one compenent? Using the hammer illustration, if you detailed the handle in one file (handle.slddrw) and the head in another file (head.slddrw), I think it would be necessary to put a revision table on each sheet. Especially would this be necessry if you released each print to a different company to be built. But if the head was so complicated that you needed two sheets to detail it, then you would have two sheets that needed to keep the same rev level.

As far as whether to create a separate drawing file for each print or not, I will keep weighing the pros/cons.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

You'd need an assembly drawing for that hammer - with a rev table & a BOM. The BOM would reference the other 2 parts & drawings needed to accomplish the hammer assembly. Each of those other 2 part drawings would be on 2 different drawings - each with a BOM & rev table...

See where this is going?


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SolidWorks 2006 SP0.0 / SpaceBall 5000
Lava Lamp
www.Tate3d.com

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

"See where this is going?" ... actually no, I don't.

"You'd need an assembly drawing for that hammer" ... Agreed.

"with a rev table & a BOM" ... Agreed.

"The BOM would reference the other 2 parts & drawings" ... Agreed.

"Each of those other 2 part drawings would be on 2 different drawings" ... DISagree. They could be on 2 different drawings or they could be in one drawing with 2 sheets. The fact that SW07 has now included the separate Rev Table function, for multi-sheeted drawings, proves that there is a need (or at least a desire) by many users for that ability.

"each with a BOM" ... (Separate topic) Why would you have a BOM for a single part on a single sheet drawing?

"& rev table" ... Agreed.

cheers
Helpful SW websites  FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

I like to drive all the title block & BOM info I can from my model files. For a single part drawing - I set up a MATERIAL config & use that to drive the BOM for the part & the non-configuration specific properties can drive the title block. It sounds a little over-thought... but I can drive all this with only a handful of typical custom properties for my files. One plus is that my drawings, parts & assemblies all use the same short-list of custom properties.

I was not aware of SW07 now including separate rev tables... Sill - I don't think I want to open a 12 sheet drawing file just to modify one part (one sheet).

I'll play with that new functionality when I get hold of it & see if I change my mind.


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SolidWorks 2006 SP0.0 / SpaceBall 5000
Lava Lamp
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RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

I have to agree with Chris on this one.  Every standard I've encounterd had one part or assembly per drawing.  Generally you want the fewest sheets possible to identify the part.  Tooling assemblies tend to be the exception since both the toolroom and production generally only refer to the complete assembly.  Also, many times tools won't share components from one tool to another.

Essentially what you are doing by having one drawing, with a sheet for each component is the same exact thing, but cramming all the information into one file.  That complicates PDM applications.

This can also complicate ECN processes.  If you are using the component on more than one unique drawing, it should have a separte file.  Its poor practice to have the same component dimensioned on multiple drawings.  HOWEVER, if you never reuse the component then the same logic as tooling would apply.

Finally, the first page rev table logic attempted to save extra table being imbedded on the other sheets.  If you change sheet 12 information, you'd want that displayed on the first page.  Otherwise it runs the risk of being overlooked.  Think of the first sheet as the summary for all that follows.

I would never allow multiple rev tables on separate sheets within a drawing.  All around I see the practice as a problem.  But to those who insist on doing it, I'm glad Solidworks will allow it.

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Thanks CSEM2004,
I agree with your remarks also.

Chris
Systems Analyst, I.S.
SolidWorks 06 4.1/PDMWorks 06
AutoCAD 06
ctopher's home (updated 06-21-06)

RE: Rev Table In The Sheet Format

Hate to butt in on this; (agree with TateJ)
All sounds very good so far, but I've found that when trying to control the revision of seperate sheets/views of an assembly sheet drawing, the properties dialog box can be controlled a couple of ways to get the desired results you are looking for.

One is thru the use of a macro to configure the properties dialog that can be found here: http://www.solidworktips.com/api_pages/03_part_1.htm

The other is by manually going into the properties dialog and overiding the field entry after it has been configured, then selecting No when it asks the question on exiting the edit process.  Keep in mind that the sheet drawing property is being driven by the part/3D model property.  If the property dialog fields are configured similarly, then your revision entry can be controlled thru this method often overlooked by users.

Steve
Sr. Mechanical Designer

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