Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Available Piping and E&I Design School?
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Hi everyone,
I have been working about 6 months in piping design system, however due to insufficient piping background, I have difficulties drafting and understanding piping design concept such as isometric drawings, bill of material, and piping specifications. I like to learn the refinery piping design system and its electrical & instrumentation control. Anyone knows where I could obtain a 2-3 weeks training with any reputable instutition, please let me know. I appreciate your understanding and assistance in advance. Thank you.
I have been working about 6 months in piping design system, however due to insufficient piping background, I have difficulties drafting and understanding piping design concept such as isometric drawings, bill of material, and piping specifications. I like to learn the refinery piping design system and its electrical & instrumentation control. Anyone knows where I could obtain a 2-3 weeks training with any reputable instutition, please let me know. I appreciate your understanding and assistance in advance. Thank you.





RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
There are books out there which can help you reaching your goals.
Piping Guide by Syentek, Process Piping Design by Rip Weaver, etc.
Good luck,
Frank
Calgary
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
http://www.spedweb.com/spedwebpublic/default.asp
I took a plant layout and design class, that got you started in all of the basics. It wasn't as near as detailed oriented that I would have hoped for, but it is a great place to start. It was also tought by a lot of teachers that are from the industry.
More importantly is the book they give you, it is a great reference tool.
Process plant layout and piping design by Ed Bausbacher and Roger Hunt.
They don't really cover I&E and if your not in Houston it is probably not an option because it is a 10 or 12 week course 2 days a week.
I would also suggest a local junior college would be a great start. I know Houston Community College offers piping drafting classes.
cadnutcase
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
My other problem is I can only go away on training for a maximum of 4 weeks (I will run out of cash if it will take longer than 4 weeks). I hope you could hear me saying that
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Depending on where you are, a brief introductory course (2-3 weeks) is a good start. Perhaps try your local college or technical institute. Also, ask your peers where they went to get their diploma/certificate.
Also, if you had just started, does your company have in-house training? Do you have a mentor?
I find that if I had a bit of knowledge, THEN go on a course, I get a lot more out of the course since I can now ask questions.
"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
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RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Plant or construction site support is a more valuable training tool than a college class or contractor training. This is true for piping and all other disciplines too.
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
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RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
My apology.
What I am trying to convey is that in 2-3 weeks, there is not enough time to "train" anyone to be a good piping designer. 2-3 weeks is only enough to give an introduction into the discipline.
To be a good piping designer is typically 1-2 years of technical school, followed by many years of experience working.
Then again, I am not a piper. I would like to hear from the pipers out there if they agree with my estimate.
"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
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RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Generally the best way forward is to try to get work with a company that will train you "on the job" for a couple of years.
You will find tips and training articles on www.pipingdesigners.com if you look around under the various topics.
pipingdesigner
www.pipingdesigners.com
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
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This is a website for Society of Piping Engineers and Designers and they offer Piping courses.
Hope it helps,
Frank,
Calgary
If you are willing to come to Alberta, there is SAIT (Southern Alberta Institute of Technology)in Calgary, www.sait.ca which also offers process piping courses.
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Go Oilers!
"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
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RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Count on this being at least a 5-10 year process at least to learn petro/chem or refinery piping to be exposed to enough criteria.
At least where I work we have a company philosphy to hire people who may not be the most experienced, but are willing to learn, intellegent and have good positive attitudes.
At my last company we used to give a piping written and cad test, guys with "20 years experience" on their resume would routinely come in and score around 20%. We hired the guys who scored at least a 75%.
The written test was arranged where the questions got easier to harder. Basically if they missed one on the first page you knew it was all over for them right there.
The CAD test was even worse. I love the people who put a piece of software on their resume because they saw it demoed at one time or something similiar. They usually think they can learn it in the first couple of weeks on the job. After an hour if they hadn't run the one line we asked them to run, we would usually run them off.
We had to quit giving the test when one of the bosses who couldn't pass it, compained it was unfair. As soon as he was fired for incompetence, we reinstuted(sp) it.
cadnutcase
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I was lucky and got into a BIG companies designer school ...lucky I say now, because they'd drop you like a hot potato when they didn't need you! *L* I laugh now because the shoe is on the other foot! …And now they have to PAY to get good designers! ... As I'd guessed you've noticed. Remember the oilman's prayer from the early 80's? "Please Gawd let there be another oil shortage, I promise not to piss it away this time!" *L* Amen BROTHER!! ...Mark
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
"I can't drive 65."
"Drive 80 and freeze a yankee."
Sorry, slightly off topic.
"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
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RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
Find the oldest Piping geezer in your office, even if he's not a CAD whiz, and ask him to be your mentor. One of the most valuable 'Lessons Learned' in my career is that these old men that used to rub me the wrong way as young engineer are an irreplaceable wealth of knowledge and experience.
Don't be afraid to start learning. Numerous great sources of info are cited on this thread and other threads on this BB. Start studying them and if you don't understand, talk to your mentor about it.
Like the others have said, becoming a good Piping Designer is not learned in a few weeks but takes years of hands-on experience. Also, do not confuse Design skills with CAD skills.
Good luck,
NozzleTwister
Houston, Texas
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
RE: Available Piping and E&I Design School?
The Texas State Technical Institute and San Jacinto College have courses, perhaps short courses. Check the upcoming ISA Conference in October or AIChE Conference for short courses.